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Imhoff for his audacity to intervene in this awful process? >> i'm going to leave that one to more creative minds than mine, dylan, but i will say this. the pentagon uses $19 billion of energy every year. they're trying to invest in renewable sources and they're doing it for three reasons. they want to make our forces stronger, they want to help control costs, and they want to deny our enemies around the world, many of whom are oil-producing nations that we're sending money to every day, they want to deny those countries the resources they need to come after our men and women. i was with an ai...

On lobbying is more meaningful than the money spent on elections because there you got a lot of bang for your buck when you spend money on actual lobbying. you've got people actually telling members of congress how they should write the laws. now, in the 1960s, what happened was, the history is in the 1960s, corporations were having a rough time in washington with the rise of the regulatory state, the rise of the consumer movement, and you had a few lobbyists here in washington, really just a handful of corporate lobbyists, and one of them, brice harlow, startedie advanta evangelizing around t...

Involved in agriculture right back in the 1880s, 1890s. they had just average dirt farmers, and they had a conversation about money. they said, how does this money system work? what is money? not just like, who controls it, but what is money, and how should it work? and they came up with some very ingenius ways to do money differently than what eventually went out, which was the banks and the feds. >> you're saying absent awareness and absent talking to each other, reform is impossible. >> yeah. and a lot of people, as soon as you say, well, we have to start talking to each other, they kind of...