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Nationally. margin of error is plus or minus 3 points. but something interesting in the polling this week, the choice for president among extremely interested voters, the one who is self-identify that they're going to vote and care about the race the most, it is tighter race. >> is that an untapped story that could be a surprise for people on election day? >> extremely likely voters are voters who come out for mid-term elections. in a presidential race, you see more democrats, anyway. so the obama campaign has been doing a lot with early vote and trying to mine all of these swing states for vo...

Unfollowed, probably very close, it is not plus 13, i doubt it is minus five, i think it is close to tie. >> i think the president is slightly with all registered voters and probably tied with likely voters but let me say something. that is why we are here. there are certain polls you should throw out. i don't think doug and i as pollsters i would not have put the 13-point poll up. just because you spend money on something and you get a bad poll, you know what? we say we have poll that is accurate with plus or minus 3 percent and 95 out of 100 times, well, gregg there is the 5 the time when it...

Other polls out there, it's basically been a tie for the past month and a half, six weeks or so. the fox poll last month looks a little bit more like an outlier given the fact we're now back to a tie, it had been a tie before, and all these other polls show it's basically a tied race five months out. jon: i should mention the plus or minus 3% margin of error, so even last month's polls had the president in the lead. it has been, as you say, roughly tied. but when asked who voters trust to do a better job on taxes, for instance, the president comes in behind mitt romney at 40-44%. on the econom...

's unedittable. there is a term raving lunatic, excuse me, psychotic comes in the door. you say he is speaking in the world salad. this is world salad. he is trying to walk back an idea. he contradicted obama on extension of the bush tax cuts and he knows he did. he is not changing his position that i can understand. but he is basically saying i'm sorry. i don't think it washes. i think you could look at him and know he is saying essentially he is doing it with a wink and nod i'm under duress. don't pay attention who i am saying. >> bret: this comes as new polls are outch fox news polls out to...

Held today president obama would enjoy a 7% advantage over presumptive republican nominee governor mitt romney. three weeks ago the candidates were tied at 46% each in this same poll. but on the all-important issue of the economy, 45% of voters think conditions are worse than they were in 2008. 28% think they are better. bob cusack is managing editor of "the hill." bob, we should note that that poll has a plus or minus 3% margin of error. so, if effectively they are still tied. >> right. >> but if you take away 3% from barack obama and give 3% to mitt romney, barack obama still wins this elect...