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Mitt romney and newt gingrich. plus or minus 4, that's a tie across the board. gingrich, surging in most pol polls. steve you spent time with the speaker. your take? >> interesting to listen to him talk about his personal baggage. i interviewed three dozen people in south carolina. i was stunned how many people are willing to look past that and say what he has done, he has done. he said he asked for forgiveness. he has moved on and we shall, too. in the course of talking to the people in south carolina, i would say 90% of them said in the first sentence, he is intelligent. maybe the smartest p...

Campaign undoubtedly as these firestorms will continue to escalate will become derailed or at least lose message and that's the most important thing he has going into the iowa caucuses and all the primaries. back to you. >> thank you very much for the live report from the bureau. >> all right. let's talk about a new "usa today" gallup poll. so you would think that herman cain will be sliding down the polls. instead, what we're going to tell you this morning is he's actually tied with mitt romney for the lead. so here they are. both at 21%, of course, with the error rate at about plus or minus ...

Middle-aged guy smoking a cigarette and saying you're the right candidate is, is mystery to me. very clear just. martha: certainly is. as you point out we're playing it here. other folks are playing. you look at it what is this all about. >> what up? martha: exactly. let's talk about herman cain though. you saw the recent poll he was at 25%. i checked the dates to see if it was after the last debait. a lot of people felt he it might suffer. you were among them. karl rove was among them. herman cain says karl rove is picking on him. >> if you're running for president you don't want to get into ...

>> land prices and commodity prices are up. >> they have oil and great agriculture going on. i might move there. but the average temperature in january, i think, is like negative, is minus 4 below zero. maybe not. >> yes, yes. take a look at this at the washington nugget discovered near a gold rush mining camp near washington, california, last year. my gosh. the monster gold nugget weighs near nearly seven pounds and sold yesterday at an auction for 400,000. huge. >> in parts of california they let you go mining for your own gold. i would always find a flake this big. you never found a nugget ...

Understand it, you really do need people who know what they're talking about on a systemic level. that's one of the fairs of this hearing. i think it was done poorly. that's one of the other critiques. but absolutely, al qaeda, we do need to study their ideology and counter their ideology. but that takes real wisdom, not just anecdotal stories. >> do you think americans don't not hold a disparaging view? do you think we're a culture that accepts all cultures? >> absolutely. >> the gallup poll when they asked me a plus or minus 4%, they said do you think radicalization of muslim americans are a...