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To apply pressure on north korea to respond to the international dialogue within the community. but to follow-up on that, what kind of dialogue or anything do you see kim jong-un responding to? >> well, kim jong-un resisted the invitation to dialogue since he came to power. but i think it is important to remember our allies both in seoul and tokyo are on the front lines of this. so any kind of consideration of a military option, for example, has to take into account there are 200,000 plus on the border. >> and americans. >> and americans, but you have the military city not far from the border ...

And you need to pass more to froekt you. that was entirely the wrong message. it is certainly very, very positive. but coming fwook what david was saying a moment ago, it's a very difficult situation because the united states, woibt -- for anybody a preemptive attack on north korea would be catastrophic. north korea is building a missile capability designed to survive an an tack. that's why they're investing in the mobile launchers. that's why they have submarine misthalz can be launched from submarines. so we just nooedz need to be very, very careful here. and at the end of the day, yes, the ...

2006, 2007, 2008 the design for a nuclear reactor based on their own reactor. syria began to build it. that reactor was taken out of business and put syria's nuclear program at the time out of business and many in the region and the united states are thanking the israeli air force for that operation. today as when north korea looks to raise money to feed their own people who they have been starving, they will look to sell this technology to buyers, consumers, around the world. iran could be one. not just in terms of their nuclear capability, but just as importantly their ballistic missile capa...

Happily and certainly noted by north korea. so you've got the carl vincent and the carrier group and destroyers each with capability sea launch missile capability. you have japan and south korea. the accelerated deployment of more sophisticated u.s. missile defense sent to south korea, not yet operational. you have a lot that's been irritating to the chinese and north koreans, but necessary from a defense posture. they are not taking any kind of military action tonight. there could be some sort of show of force from our assets in the region, the naval assets, but the -- ignoring it by the whit...

He what's the real incentive to him? i don't get what he's going to do. >> i think kim will do most anything to keep his power and nuclear capability, missile capability, allows him to do so. not too many years ago, bill perry working with the clinton administration got pretty close to a deal with kim. it was kind of complicated, but a lot of these solutions are extremely difficult to reach. it takes a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of staying power. u.s. has to spend a lot more time, in my judgment, talking with the chinese. how do we do this? more and more frequently as well as with the...