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And repeal aca, you will be off medicare. your premiums will go up and your co-pays will go up. >> that's terrible scare-mongering. >> it's a fact, betsy. tell me, is it a fact -- let me ask you a question, is it a fact that the congressional budget office said that 350 billion -- >> i'd like to answer this. that in fact obamacare eviscerated medicare. >> that is not true. >> and a strong stand against the affordable care act. is that it included provisions that made it much harder for older people to get hip and knee replacements and other things. >> i want to point out one thing, pamela -- >...

Off. number two. 20 million people newly gained insurance, but about 200 million people are being very hurt by this law. and they are demanding repeal. 156 million people with on-the-job coverage who are paying much more in deductibles than ever before because of the employer mandate. 10 million people who are incurring penalties for not having insurance. penalties they can't afford. eight million people who have lost their on-the-job coverage because of the obamacare employer mandate. so there are many, many people who are demanding repeal. they may not show up at town hall meetings, they're ...

Well consider it a political game of hide and seek this week, republican senator rand paul went on a hunt to find the gop's obamacare replacement plan. a plan he says is being kept under lock and key. >> senator paul, are you concerned that the bill is in a locked room? >> not allowed to be in this area. >> i would like to read the obamacare bill. this is being presented as if this were a national secret. i think there's a bill in there. it's the secret office for the secret bill. >> now we brought our own copy machine, too, but we didn't get to use it. >> i'm told that the republicans

They're doing it the same way legislation is always written. >> john, do you agree? >> well, apparently rand paul and other members of congress don't agree. i think it's been hidden. i think there's a reason for that i think the republicans have been buried and barraged at town hall meetings all across the country. i think cnn and many networks have shown video of people coming to town hall meetings, crowding in those town hall meetings and basically shouting at their legislators, mostly republicans, some democrats, demanding that they protect obamacare. and what's interesting, pamela is obama...

People and the russians. i don't know, you don't know, probably trump doesn't even know. the problem is because this is a, this issue has come out of such a divisive and contentious campaign season and has become so highly politicized, their actions are suspicious, that's not an indication of guilt, but not a sign of innocence, either. >> josh rogen, david farrenhold, sarah westwood, we appreciate it. coming up on this saturday, a bizarre scene on capitol hill. one senator who literally goes on a scavenger hunt to find a republican plan to find obamacare. while another lawmaker talks to a st...