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For the meeting was. if there is one thing you know, if you're going to go in and answer questions that you need to do so truthfully and completely, they have already gathered a lot of information and they're quite prepared to bring charges if you intentionally state falsehoods to the investigators or the grand jury. >> all i can say is to quote you, mo mueller, mo problems. >> i was quoting someone else, but i take your point. >> i mate to be facetious, but i will be serious. john hit the nail on the head. i had a witness in the paul manafort trial. we went through five prep sessions. they ha...

Period. >> do you know the lochker verse, the mo mueller we come across, the more problems we see. but you look at all of this, that is just on the mueller probe gathering, i don't think this is fully sunk in. you could have the guy in jail for the rest of his life. >> it really shifts things. we said this last week, but you're right, mo mueller, mo probables. >> wh-- problems. >> this is the only case where the prosecutors talked about the possibility of someone aangge -

Again, you're right. mo mueller, mo problems. >> when you look at that and him wanting to immediately get this done, what else is there? because this is the only case, paul manafort, where the prosecutors have talked about the prospect of someone angling for a pardon. there's a big difference between everyone else. we all sit here, we pay close attention. we talk. sometimes people have conjecture. this isn't that. this was for whatever reason, as part of the case they were building, which they won on 3 of 5 lies, saying they thought he was angling for the pardon, which means of course he could...

>> absolutely. i used to do criminal tax cases and civil tax cases. a lot of the taxpayers had attorneys. but when those attorneys would talk to the irs, it's not privileged what the client said to the attorney. the same principle applies here. that's deep trouble for the president of the united states, period. >> and gene, do you know the longer version of that quoted chorus that we just discussed? the mo mueller we come across, the mo problems we see. >> oh, boy. >> it's friday, so we can get in deeper. melissa, you look at all this. that's just on the mueller probe gathering information. th...

Interrogation room? >> well, i think that's a great example of where -- no, it would not suffice, and where they could go into detail to see what the basis was for her original statement. was it part of some plan to obstruct or hide what the real purpose of the meeting was for? or was it something that she came up with on her own? the only way to know is to put someone to the test. if there's one thing you know about the mueller team to date is that if you are going to go in and answer questions that you need to do so truthfully and completely because they already have gathered a lot of inform...