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>> we need to be talking about this, but to pelosi's point, she didn't say she's behind it. she said i haven't seen the details yet. let's talk about kamala harris. she wants to focus on raising incomes for the working and middle class. she laid out a plan to give some families up to six grand in tax credits. walk me through what you think of this. >> look, on the whole, i actually think the idea of a universal income is not a bad idea. it's been -- >> they're stasrting it in stoc ton a week from now. >> charles murray was the first person to write an entire book on it. it's an intriguing idea...

Running? >> i have my doubts now. i know a lot of people are saying that he will. and the betting is that he will. but he's also a very and he may say to himself i can spend this money and have more impact by not running than running because i think he is going to quickly realize one again he probably cannot win the democratic nomination. >> i'm going to say something quickly. earlier today i was on the hugh hewitt show. both of us know mike very well. hugh asked me would i be open to being mike bloomberg's press secretary. i jokingly said i'm open to anything. i see headlines now. that's absu...

The money from elsewhere, you know, pull postz money from other sources, why didn't he do that already? >> look, you know, fub me for this, stephanie. maybe this is sacrilege. it's brilliant political theater he's engaging in. >> for sure. >> this is part of his 2020 re-election campaign of tacking to the center now. i think you saw it in the state of the union address where he almost seemed like a normal human being part of the time. now he's saying look, i don't want a government shutdown. i'm going to sign this thing even though those crazy democrats. i can't deal with them. they're nuts. i...

He's talking criminal justice reform. i want to play yesterday part of what he said about where the additional money could come from. >> i'm not happy but am i happy with where we're going? i'm thrilled because we're supplementing things and moving things around and we're doing things that are fantastic. and taking from far less really from far less important areas. >> far less important areas including flood control projects and disaster relief. what do you think? >> look, even if he got all the money he claims he can get, it's going to be a pittance we're talking about probably under $1 bill...

Trillion or a gazillion or a bajillion, would it matter to people when they will go home at night, people not political enthusiasts? >> literally no one understands how big a trillion dollars is. it's such an insanely enormous amount of money it is not possible for the human brain to comprehend it. once you get up to 22 trillion, like it's almost meaningless. you're right. it's very hard for anyone to understand what that means. >> okay, bill. the congressional budget office and this is what blows my mind, this is the house of mick mulvaney who back in the day of the freedom caucus railed agai...