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Companies can actually write off direct contributions to the group as a business expense. a lot easier than they can a 501-c4. perhaps that's part of the pitch of getting people to give money. katie, one of the things that strikes me is the way there's really these layers of secrecy. they give to one group that then gives to another group. whereas, for example, you've heard david koch, i believe it is, said he's not really so interested in the social issues. at the same time, if you look at where the money goes, a lot of their money has gone to organizations that fight choice. the anti-abortio...

Sneak attack yesterday before a holiday weekend with no notice, i think this is the wrong way to put forward legislation. we'll have to see what happens in the house. and the governor in north carolina, a law can still be passed without his signature. he doesn't have to do anything. so i am concerned. >> i see. joy reid, there's real pressure on marco rubio now, when he returns from vacation. >> yeah. the idea would be that this would be a palate cleanser from his being an apost state of the republican base on immigration. this would be a chance for him to rehabilitate himself with the far rig...

Desperate as well from a party who has run out of ideas for ways to appeal to people they'd rather just keep them from voting, and i think this is the last election when they can even come close to deluding themselves that this is a strategy that's going to be effective because the demographic shifts are here to stay. they're going to continue moving against the republican party, and if they don't find a way to put out a less zenphobic vibe, to have policies that appeal to a broad swath of america, they are going to be relegated to a regional permanent minority. >> but you have got to respect ...

Democracy is on trial and we will have to see and get a decision in the next week or so about this law. >> let me ask you something about how this law ends up showing up in pennsylvania. i want to bring in alec. we talked a little about about this previously. alec is the organization that does all kind of model legislation. they currently have said, their statement is that alec has no policy relating to voter i.d. and it would probably be best to find someone else to talk on your show. that was their statement to us when we asked someone from alec to come on and have a conversation about this....

He is running on general terps . i don't understand why he will not announce his peculiar plans. i now see why. no american democrat or republican. this is not about wop party. the american public will not support these specific plans if they know about them. >> you are talk being the herit agfound egg typically help republicans craft model legislation and the center for american progress and far to the left. not a little bit. but they are crafting the model legislation you have seen it with your own eyes and you know that this is the agenda. not that it will all get implemented is the goal? >...