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the us is post—slavery, post—segregation, but definitely not post—racism. my guest is ibram x kendi, an influential writer and academic who argues the only way to not be racist is to be actively anti—racist — a message he says children must hear. is his approach bound to intensify america's internal conflict? ibram x kendi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me on. it's a pleasure to have you here. your focus right now seems to be on children, and your contention that children, very young children even, should be told about racism, even if it's not a daily reality th...

an influential writer and academic who argues the only way to not be racist is to be actively anti—racist — a message he says children must hear. is his approach bound to intensify america's internal conflict? ibram x kendi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me on. it's a pleasure to have you here. your focus right now seems to be on children, and your contention that children, very young children even, should be told about racism, even if it's not a daily reality that they are actually living with. why? because unfortunately, studies are showing that it is a daily realit...

their intentions to run. those are the headlines. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, i'm stephen sackur. the fractures in american society are widening over guns, abortion, education, and more. but the deepest, most traumatic fracture is surely over race — and it impacts all of the others. the us is post—slavery, post—segregation, but definitely not post—racism. my guest is ibram x kendi, an influential writer and academic who argues the only way to not be racist is to be actively anti—racist — a message he says children must hear. is his approach bound ...

And we recognise it's important to teach young children to look both ways, because they could be hit by, let's say, a car. and similarly, if we recognise that there are these messages that can hit children, even young children, then why would we not seek to protect them by teaching them that those messages are wrong and bad? i guess what's interesting about it is the notion of teaching about racism. i mean, would it be not possible, at this stage of a child's life, simply to exemplify respect, caring, sharing, non—discrimination, and leave it at that? in your view, why does it have to be mad...