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Presidency. i thought it was a huge distraction. >> i think he was really sent on a mission because the president was just the opposite. he was very lethargic. he was very, just the opposite of what you saw last night from biden. i think he went in there, whether himself or people testimonying him to do it, probably himself and maybe a combination of both, i think he had to be aggressive because the president was not aggressive, not aggressive at all. i being he really had no choice. i was very -- i would have been very surprised if he didn't act very aggressive, which he d. now, he interrupte...

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Effective in very different ways. >> greta: how about the miling, sneering, smirking thing? did that bother you at all? >> i thought congressman ryan may call him out on that, like we have nothing to smile about. our country's in trouble. i was waiting for this. i think it would have been a great opportunity. yet i loved the job that congressman ryan did. it was so much of the smiling. now, because he wasn't called out on it, it was a way of disparaging the congressman and what he was saying. you could say it was effective because he wasn't called out. >> greta: the problem from the obama camp...

>> i mean, look, it was interesting. i think -- obviously the story coming out of the debate, there are charges and countercharges, the story coming out of the debate remains libya and what the vice-president said about libya. i think, good back and forth, yike there was a clean win. i mean, it's sort of interesting, last night, i think the consensus was it was more or less a tie. and that seems to have morphed overnight into this win by joe biden. by this morning, everybody wasauking about it like it was a win because he was louder and bigger. >> greta: bob, is libya going to come up at the t...