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That captures where we are this week after these two significant developments, the cohen tapes and his potentially telling mueller that trump is lying about a material aspect of the probe. the president has tried hard to discredit and distract from the probe, certainly by attacking those of us looking for the truth. it takes us to this story. man walks into a pet store, sees a sign, talking parrot, guaranteed. buys it. brings it back, says, doesn't talk. the store owner says, it didn't climb the ladder and start talking? the guy says, what ladder? the store owner says, oh, sorry, you need the ...

Character and i've prosecuted people but i've been fooled. >> if it's true, if cohen is telling the truth, i was there and heard the son, this is what i had, the president or then candidate trump said great let me know and it happened. what do you think that means legally for the president? >> i don't know. i haven't had a chance to analyze it, i don't want to assume that hypothetical. because it's so contrary to all the facts i know up until now i won't assume that. and i won't argue even if it happened it may not be as significant what the anti-trump people are going to blow it up to. but ho...

Saying, that some people have lied. we have seen a lot of lies. >> but lying to me or you is one thing. the reason i bring up donald trump junior is only because of what michael cohen said. but donald trump junior has testified before congress. >> yes, he has. >> closed session, not public. >> correct. >> but we have a transcript of t put up the transcript of it. did you go up and talk to your father about it? no, i wouldn't have wasted his time with it. i never discussed it with him at all. and he said this, to shawn hannity. >> do you tell your father anything about this? >> no. it was such ...

It doesn't make any sense. >> they are out to get him. they are out to get him. they are contorting evidence in order to get him. they are putting undue pressure on people to get him. they are putting paul manafort in solitary confinement to get him to break. and maybe they succeeded in cracking this guy and get him to know. i don't know. i'm not shoour of that i shouldn't say it. >> then don't say it. >> he has michael has disappointed me so much that i can't believe it. when i saw that he taped the president, when i listened to the other tapes, some of which you haven't heard it, and the way...

Things small, medium and large, that's why the tweets are being relevant because he's been lying about this investigation. >> you can't make the case based on credibility issue. have you to prove. >> but that may be why you don't want him to testify. >> no, because i don't want him to be put up against liars. i don't want the situation he says the truth, three witnesses to corroborate him, but they recommend perjury, because one guya proven liar says the opposite. >> but he puts him in the same box. when he says no russian interference, he says it, and it's a lie. >> he hasn't said that. >> he...