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They've been quite brilliant, like iranian leaders, because as they look at how the united states and its president, successive presidents, treat troublesome powers, if you don't have wmds like saddam hussein or gadhafi they come in and you end up dead. if you do have nuclear weapons, like pakistan they treat you far differently. so it seems like far from being insane or a madman, kim jong-un has played the united states and his father, the last three presidents, very well. >> indeed, and now he's also played china and south korea against each other in the bargain, china the big winner here, a...

And, secondly, there is a little bit of a difference in terms of what denuclearization means for the south korean president, he wants a step-by-step process. in other words, north korea does a little denuclearization and then they get some benefits, sanctions relief. the u.s. position is very clear. we want full denuclearization. and then sanctions relief, then maybe trade benefits, then maybe some kind of treaty. there's a little daylight emerging between the two allies that has to be fixed before the summit. >> so there's a lot there, mr. ambassador. let's start with the daylight. president ...

Area where the u.s. might where south korea might be able to make additional purchases that would help to close the definition. >> so gordon, as they walk into the blue house the president and south korean's president moon moving closer to the blue house. they've been involved in a welcoming ceremony. what do you think will be the difference between what is spoke about privately and publicly in the press conference that follows? >> i think there will be an enormous gap. president trump has effectively boxed in moon preventing moon from doing what he would like to do. moon ran on a campaign of ...