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He can be talking tax reform in a broad general way, but i do think it's beginning to soak in on the public at large, including many people who supported donald trump that what he's basically talking about, what president trump is talking about, is a tax cut for people who make more than $250,000 a year, a substantial tax cut for them. for everybody else, not so much. that's going to be a very tough sell. it may even be dead on arrival. >> well, and to the question of whether it is dead on arrival, a big part of that is, to go back to what you said before about moral asituation, that's also wh...

About, is a tax cut for people who make more than $250,000 a year, a substantial tax cut for them. for everybody else, not so much. that's going to be a very tough sell. it may even be dead on arrival. >> well, and to the question of whether it is dead on arrival, a big part of that is, to go back to what you said before about moral asituation, that's also what you have on capitol hill. a lot of presidents are very persuasive people. i've been in the room with barack obama on issues where i disagreed and thought he was wrong and he gets in front of you and makes his case and you come away like...