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Like china look at themselves in the mirror, if you will, and continue to support a regime that brutally starves its own people that puts them in forced labor camps that tortures political prisoners. how can you continue to support that regime, not only from a political security standpoint but from a moral argument standpoint? whether that lands here in china, whether that changes things at all, that's to be seen, it probably won't. but that gives maybe a glimpse into donald trump's thinking, what is he going to argue, how is he going to try to change xi jinping's mind and get china to use eco...

Are out defending your fill loss, if i it has got nothing do with that, it has got to do with vengeance and going to be great to watch. >> let me bring in our nbc news political director chuck todd who has just interviewed newt gingrich on this very subject. chuck? >> i did. and a few things i asked him in particular, this idea that you know, you're sounding like a democratic talking point, sounding like president obama and he made a morality argument. first of all, he said, number one, i don't want any government regulation of what bay did. he was making the argument to me that was bay basica...

Who i think was unreliable from the get-go. he told the story initially that he made tea for the warring factions, calmed everybody down. only later that his story has been enhanced to include the argument on the after deck of the boat. and the suspicion in his mind that r.j. was responsible. >> bill: this is the guy causing the cops to reopen it? this captain? >> the book ironically. >> bill: there is a book. >> ironically was written in 2009. >> bill: by whom? >> published by the captain. >> bill: the captain wrote the book? >> why has it taken to years for them to finally say for anything m...

Who i think was unreliable from the get-go. he told the story initially that he made tea for the warring factions, calmed everybody down. only later that his story has been enhanced to include the argument on the after deck of the boat. and the suspicion in his mind that r.j. was responsible. >> bill: this is the guy causing the cops to reopen it? this captain? >> the book ironically. >> bill: there is a book. >> ironically was written in 2009. >> bill: by whom? >> published by the captain. >> bill: the captain wrote the book? >> why has it taken to years for them to finally say for anything m...

Their bill, as they've designed it now, in its most optimistic form, would leave another 15 million, 20 million people without any insurance at all, and so all those same sob stories will exist after this bill takes full effect. so it seems like they couldn't really embrace the morality argument because in their moral choice, they were leaving out about half the people. >> yeah. they should have started with single payer. i mean, even if they weren't going to get it, it is what most other western democracies have. it's the one program that makes sense, but, okay, we live in a country that does...