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lackey, a loyalist and a true believer, but no one can deny his ongoing seven tralt to donald trump's conduct after today we can likely also describe him as a key witness into the multiple criminal investigations threatening donald j. trump. today when jack met boris, boris epstein, that is, one of the central figures in today's trump world is sitting down with prosecutors from special counsel jack smith's office. it is a development that is sure to inspire questions about where either one of those two criminal probes investigating the disgraced ex-president's conduct is heading "the...

Eastman, navarro, they were all -- and bannon -- were all directing that >> in the manner they are so forthcoming when you press them on this and so brazen and basically confessing to their roles in the fake electors scheme that they are borrowing a page from the trump playbook >> yes. >> if i tweet it, i won't get in trouble? >> we heard on "seinfeld" it's not a lie if you believe it. >> it could be a crime, right? >> well, costanza. for trump, in his mind, i'm not saying this is true but about the playbook, for trump it's not a crime or a cover-up if you confess it in advance. >> i'm guessin...

Be a criminal case where the intent of the former president is so key. and even though we may all sit around and go this is ridiculous, as a prosecutor you're worrying about how do i prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. so interviewing him is definitely the first step. one other oddity here we've heard so much about people going into the grand jury. this is not in the grand jury. this is an interview and that makes me think there was a lot of negotiation over this because boris epshteyn has a fifth amendment privilege he could have asserted, and you can imagine the defense lawyer saying, you ...

Of the bar he may have some greater awareness how far he wants to go. we've seen, look, the other thing that relates when you talk about copying trump, i'm not sure you want to be great at copying trump. but if you're bad at it, it's even worse you can speak to this having dealt with him, he has evaded probes you're not him you're not a former president. if you are in the muck of it it's harder to get those distancing techniques. i think, yeah, they go in thinking they're so clever and we'll see where they land. mr. bannon was convicted of defying congress something that has never happened wit...