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Tillerson is a guy who spoke soft with a big stick and this press is all about that talking and stuff and two different ways to do business. >> sandra: what did you think with the statement coming out of the state department and tillerson didn't know it was coming and thought he was on the job for an indefinite period of time. >> well, the guy who likes to say you're fired, doesn't like to say you're fired as it turns out and i think tillerson could wait trump out and president thought he could make the person suffer, embarrass them publicly. let us not forget the moron-gate where tillerson wo...

Advocate for the united states of america and for the president if he's being undermined by him? it almost feels like this is a trump company, not the united states of america that he's running. >> yeah, and you know, we've all talked about the moron gate we can call it or something like that, the iq-off, but earlier he had undercut tillerson when he was trying to negotiate with people saying he was wasting his time with north korea and going after his policy is actually probably a more troubling thing if you take a step back from this. >> yeah, it's interesting when people say that that's how...