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an investigation on a political rival? mr. morrison? in that hypothetical, no, i don t think he should do that. yeah. and ambassador volker, i m sure you agree. yes. and the same would be true if it were a governor withholding the budget requests of the state police unless the state police agreed to conduct an investigation on a political rival. you would agree? correct. yes, sir. in your view is it any different for a member of congress? of course not, right? would you agree that the president has the same obligation as the mayor, as the governor, as the member of congress to not withhold aid unless he gets an investigation into a political rival, mr. morrison? yes, sir, i would agree with that hypothetical. i would agree. and we re having a debate here both sides as to how to read what s plainly before us. the presidential phone call where the president ignored the work of the advisers and the national security council of talking points and instead chose ....
may, i believe you testified it was one of the largest delegations? i believe it was. i can t be 100% sure but i believe it was the largest national delegation. okay. and included in the delegation was secretary perry. secretary perry, ambassador sondland, myself and senator ron johnson was there and the target defair joe pennington. and we talked a little bit this morning but the president zelensky inauguration came together rather quickly. it did. i believe we had about three days notice in which to put the delegation together. and there is discussion about whether the vice president would be able to lead that effort and as it turned out he was not able to lead it. do you have any information as to why the vice president was unable to join? i don t. and mr. morrison, do you have any information as to why the vice president was unable to participate in the delegation? no. ambassador volker, you testified during your deposition that aid does, in fact, get h ....
expired. i d like to have that unanimous consent mr. quigley, you re recognized, mr. quigley, you re recognized. thank you. madam ambassador, it s like a hallmark movie. you ended up at georgetown, this is all okay. [ laughter ] it wasn t your preference seven, eight months ago, correct? no, it was not. it wasn t your preference to be the victim of a cemetery campaign, was it? no. it wasn t your preference to be defamed by the president of the united states including today, was it? no. it wasn t your preference to be ousted at seemingly the pinnacle of your career, was it? no. you wanted to finish your extended tour, correct? i did. what did you want to do after that? did you know? i wasn t sure. there s nothing wrong with georgetown. it s a fine place, right? it s a wonderful place. but it s your own choice at the end of the distinguished career after all that. it s not the end of a hallmark movie. it s the end of a really bad reality tv sh ....
whether you think that s good or bad and matches the abuse of powers is an open question. and then he goes through and argues he doesn t see what he calls a statutory crime. and we ll see that debate as well. there are people you re going to hear from who are going to say it s got to be an actual felony and then there are going to be other people pointing out the constitution doesn t require that. it has words like treason, bribery and high crimes. so we re going to get into the weeds here, but the big picture is keep your eye on which witnesses and exchanges are talking about the serious question of what s impeachable. the other noise you can try and tune out as with any hearing. mr. wiesman, your last words of advice as we settle in to watch the legal experts. i think it s very important to keep your eye on the facts and the law. and i think one of the things that the public is rightly upset about is the rule of law not being applied. and so i think the quote you read is ....
somebody caught in the middle of it, and that does not excuse the person from the consequences. professors, we have talked about abuse of power and bribery when we started, we said we would also discuss obstruction of congress. so i would like to ask you some questions about obstruction of congress. professor gerhardt, in your view, is there enough evidence here to charge president trump with a high crime and misdemeanor of obstruction of congress? i think that there is more than enough. as i mentioned in my statement, i just really underscore this. the third article of impeachment, approved by the house judiciary committee against president nixon charged him with misconduct that he failed to comply with four legislative subpoenas. this is far more than four that this president has failed to comply with. and he has ordered the executive branch, as well, not to cooperate with congress. those together with a lot of other evidence suggests obstruction of congress. professor ....