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Together for a hearing together. with us, msnbc legal analyst, lisa ruben. lisa, let's start off by defining what a protective order is in this case. >> a protective order, josé, is something that governs discovery in a civil or criminal case. discovery is essentially the evidence that the government would be relying on whether that is statements by witnesses, texts, phone records and the like. before they produce any of that to former president trump they want to guarantee that certain materials are going to remain confidential until they develop a plan for how they will use them at trial or...

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Timeline and set a trial date, and they'll also set dates for motion practice, which means you have to have all of your defenses and the things you want me to look at, the sufficiency of the grand jury, the first amendment, the venue, all of the things, the advice of counsel, all the things that they're going to argue about this indictment, the judge will give donald trump's lawyers a deadline to have to submit those written motions and then they'll give the prosecution a deadline to submit those motions and a deadline to respond to the motions and then set a hearing date. and that will happen...

And some of the fake electors likely named as well, given sort of how her case moved forward. i don't know if it would be next week. part of me thinking there would be a week or two out. there's been another hearing scheduled by the senior judge that relates to her disqualifications, she may for that. >> is there a chance she could be disqualified? that's part of donald trump's effort to head off this indictment here. a superior court judge rejected those efforts. is that the end of the line for that line of attack for trump's team? >> you know, they're like a woodpecker. they just keep peckin...

Were not able to delete footage, if jack smith has any footage of people going near -- bush's or closets -- because it's totally going to bolster the case, even walking together on the days that are described. that kind of thing i think is what -- that kind of evidence to bolster if there is only hearsay. >> yeah. >> that bolsters that argument. >> michelle goldberg, let me ask renato very quickly. when we find out what evidence that jack smith has? is it during the trial or is it beforehand in any of the proceedings whether we will know if he has recordings or text messages or this footage? >...