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Agreement that if the ukrainians gave up their nuclear weapons to moscow, the west would prevent moscow from taking advantage of kiev. that doesn't appear to be the case. at this point, sandra, we find that the tanks, the personnel have left their motor pools, especially to the east. they're in exercises in belarus. as your reporter indicated, the ships are south of odessa. the stage is set. if putin decides to pull the trigger. if he does, it will be something in concert with what he came to agreement with this past weekend with president xi when he was in beijing just before the olympics. >>...

Stuff but trying to stabilize his domestic audience. he sees many nations in the world kind of getting hyperbolic about the forces that are surrounding ukraine right now. and certainly, there's a lot of them. over 100 battalion tactical groups. that's a lot. what's happening in the press is journalists are showing overhead photos of large motor pools and saying, holy smokes, look at all these people. i guarantee from a military perspective and knowing the russian way of war, that it isn't going to be the tanks out of motor pool to provide the imminent threat if you will. the attempt to persuad...

Russia says some troops are pulling back after the exercises they've been performing, but as far as we know, more than 100,000 forces remain near the border. we're seeing military helicopters moving into crimea. the uk says russian field hospitals are being constructed in belarus near ukraine's border. so which signals do you pay most attention to? what do you believe? >> well, i think we're in, as ronald reagan would have said, a trust but verify mode. right now, there's still a lot of images of those big motor pools of vehicles lined up in a military manner, and to my knowledge, none of the ...

They may be repositioning, but are they repositioning from their motor pools to attack positions? are they repositioning to where they should be, if they're pulling back, and that's from motor pools to rail heads, to travel back into russia? that latter is not happening. they're still in the area and preparing the potential for attack. >> this is a knowable thing and i imagine the next 24 hours will be crucial to determining the posture there. how about president biden's new numbers, saying 150,000 russian troops are now encircling ukraine in belarus? what is the significance of that higher nu...

Verify but to just see. it doesn't take verification. both satellite imagery and high flying aircraft would be able to pinpoint the movement and where these forces are going. and certainly, that intelligence feed has made its way to the president after the various members of putin's cabinet said this morning that they were going to start pulling back. they're not pulling back based on intelligence. they may be repositioning, but are they repositioning from their motor pools to attack positions? are they repositioning to where they should be, if they're pulling back, and that's from motor pools...