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>> he could do both. he could take the fifth and just refuse to answer any question that might incriminate him. if i were his lawyer, i would be having a very serious conversation about that right now. he could also get an immunity deal. i don't know that congress would want to give that because that would mean that it could also immunize him as to any criminal proceeding that might follow these hearings. but if they believe that it is worth it to get the information that they need about president trump, that is something that adam schiff has on the table for him to use. >> this is what he get...

President. >> so professor, over the course of history, when presidents bump into government in the wrong way, does government give or do the institutions usually hold? >> well, the way you ask the question has part of the answer, which is of course the president and congress and the supreme court are government. so it's not so much the president banging up against government. it's branches of government, hopefully, banging up against each other and holding firm. and the institutions of government really operating in the way that they're supposed to. i mean, you know, power, the constitution i...

Try to create something new, something that was genuinely new under the sun. and without the respect for each division's -- each sovereign division's respect for each other, then it all begins to collapse. and i think the roger stone news is actually a pretty good sign for the rule of law today, for democracy today. it means that the institutions, the courts, are doing their job. the question now is will congress do its job. >> professor, last word. should impeachment be considered the overturning of an election? >> no, it should not. when i talk to my students about this, one of the things th...

On today. cue ma could you make an argument that that's what the president engaged in today? >> yes, i think it looked like witness intimidation. in fact ambassador yovanovitch said she felt intimidated by that statement. and she's testifying, he begins to smear her and her career. what can that look like other than an attack to try to chill her testimony? and even if it did not stop her, because she had the courage to continue, does it send a message to everyone else out there who may be watching and may say, i'm not going to stick my neck out and put myself through that same kind of abuse th...

Witnessed? >> at least you're not asking me if i have a brain, so we're making progress there tonight. sure. you go to watergate, where the attorney general of the united states, who was serving as the president's reelection chairman, went to prison. i've forgotten the exact number of all the watergate folks but it was a significant number. >> it was impressive. >> people went to jail over iran-contra. but the analogies only go so far here. what is at play right now at ple question of whether the sovereignty of our national elections was violated in such a way that not only is the 2016 electio...