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Potential problem for president trump is where did the money come from to try to pay the hush money to stormy daniels? what money was paid through american media to karen mcdougal? and what kind of threat was there? and that is much more dangerous to him than extramarital dalliance because let's be serious at this point, the evangelicals don't care, the trump supporters don't care. that's not what's doing to bring him down. >> we all remember the trump reaction and public statement about if mueller goes -- wants to know about my business that's crossing a line. michael avenatti has sent letter...

Pretty clear. and how interesting is the way michael avenatti has played all of this. what's really perilous for donald trump is the self-inflicted wound that he created with his fixer, michael cohen, by trying to shut this down in his typical way. because now the problem -- potential problem, very serious potential problem for president trump is where did the money come from to try to pay the hush money to stormy daniels? what money was paid through american media to karen mcdougal? and what kind of threat was there? and that is much more dangerous to him than extramarital dalliance because l...

Able to get away with things that no other candidate has been able to get away with, "access hollywood" tape, and no other president has been able to get away with. so the thing that's striking as we go into the stormy daniels interview is what happened be very dangerous for another president, he had an affair with this woman, i thought that karen mcdougal was really remarkably credible, just bullet proof credible. we're not any longer having a serious conversation about whether he had an affair with karen mcdougal, asked and answered, whether he had an affair with stormy daniels. i think that...

Why? >> reporter: well, anybody's guess, because we don't know what is in the mind, of course, of the special counsel and the people who work for him. but the possibility of superseding indictment hangs over anyone who has not pleaded guilty, of course. and in this case, it's particularly interesting, because what we do know is that federal prosecutors commonly practice the notion of leverage. that would mean less charges, if you cooperate, more charges if you're not cooperating with the investigation, with the prosecution. so, a potential problem for gates there. the question, of course, is, ...

Administration. although being opposed to the independent counsel concept in principle i would like to see that shut down as soon as possible. >> harris: do these things start to kind of negate one another, what we saw with general flynn on friday and all of the deals that he made, is it possible that any of this had to do with that? finding out that there's a guy who is anti-trump inside of the fbi? >> john: i think this is a serious potential problem for the fbi. when you put as much power as we do in the hands of the fbi, federal prosecutors, it has to be exercised under a very careful basi...