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Competing element of maybe you'll get a reduced sentence from the court, but then on the other hand maybe you'll get a pardon from the president, everything's kind of turned on its head, and the prosecutors mentioned that in this hearing, and they said this is one of the reasons they felt that manafort had been holding back, had not been telling the whole truth is because he was trying to play his odds and trying to keep the possibility of a pardon open, which is dangerous for a cooperating witness and absolutely infuriating for the government. >> michael schmidt, do we -- please engage in ram...

This is the carrot, they have to tell everything, the good, the bad, if they do that dirty work, they could try to get a reduced sentence. here, where you have this competing element of maybe you'll get a reduced sentence from the court. maybe you'll get a pardon from the president, everything's kind of turned on its head, and the prosecutors mentioned that in this hearing, they said this is one of the reasons they felt that manafort had been holding back, had not been telling the whole truth, he was trying to play his odds and trying to keep the possibility of a pardon open, which is dangerou...

Here, where you have this competing element of maybe you'll get a reduced sentence from the court. maybe you'll get a pardon from the president, everything's kind of turned on its head, and the prosecutors mentioned that in this hearing, they said this is one of the reasons they felt that manafort had been holding back, had not been telling the whole truth, he was trying to play his odds and trying to keep the possibility of a pardon open, which is dangerous for a cooperating witness, and absolutely infuriating for the government. >> michael schmidt, do we -- please engage in rampant speculati...

The kind of pleas where the crimes are created by the independent counsel, conveniently he gets them to plead where he wants them to plead after finding unrelated offenses.i this is starr chamber tactics. i have seen it for a long time. you are coming it to the fore. with flynn. >> sean: it's scary. >> papadopoulos, getting two weeks, from a pr point of view, had to come forward with no jail for flynn or looked even worse. this mueller effort is a pr effort as much as it is a hreal effort. >> sean: here's what we know. we know that hillary had a private server, illegally. we know she had top s...

Kind of pleas where the crimes are created by the independent counsel. conveniently he gets them lying where he wants them to pleeld unreality i had offenses. this is star chamber tactics. i have seen it for a long time. you are coming it to the fore. with flynn. >> sean: it's scary. >> papadopoulos two weeks from a pr point of view i had to come forward with no jail for flynn or looked even worse. this mueller effort is a pr effort as much as it is a real effort. >> sean: here's what we know. we know that hillary had a private server, illegally. we know she had top secret classified and speci...