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With this bogus dossier. i'd like to point out, people are defending the mueller problem by arguing, he's gotten eight or nine convictions so far. if the definition of a good special counsel probe is the convictions they get, the criminal on the whitewater probe was a home run. they got 14 convictions including governor of arkansas. they had to do with the underlying purpose of the investigation, which was an alleged crooked real estate deal. the convictions that mueller has has nothing to do with collusion or coordination by donald trump. so it's a whole thing -- >> sean: let me ask you a leg...

Is what we know and what we don't know. there will be nuances there that probably haven't been picked up in the press reporting, because whoever has leaked it, has just given the basic to have-line judgment. if you're in the administration and want to cast doubt on it, you can probably find something in it that gives you a wedge or an excuse to say, well, i have a different view. >> not definitive there, yeah. >> that said, that said, when they make an assessment and come to a conclusion like this, they are standing on ground that they regard as solid. >> john, thank you for this solid discuss...

Know. this is trump's m.o. to distance himself from people when it gets too hot. but the reality is trump selected whitaker for this job. he knows whitakew. he's met with whitaker many times in the oval office and he was drawn to whitaker because he said so many things on television and in writing about the mueller problem. he saw whitaker as an ally. >> on this subject of loyalty, let's dig into this a bit more. paul talked a while back about loyalty. he wrote, quote, the more trump is threatened, the more intense his demands for loyalty are likely to become. he wants to know how far you'll b...

Must have thought it through figuring they get whitacre into 210 days or whatever it is. do you think they knew they're going to get into this thing where he and the presiden president -- this is hot water. >> i have a hard time believing these are actually errors. he wants to put people that are loyal to him and close to him in these high positions. what i found striking and i have not seen that particular clip that you showed at the againing of the segment was when he starts referring the argument from the left. he's politicizing criticism of the mueller problem. we saw the supreme court nom...

The first time since the mid-terms. the mid-terms are about protecting bob mueller. there's bipartisan legislation in both the house and the senate. tom tillis from north carolina, cory booker from new jersey will protect mueller. there's pressure to try to move this in the lame duck session. this will be a top priority of house democrats when they come up. here's a statement from chuck schumer. he said if they were to get rid of bob mueller here, it would create a constitutional crisis and especially in the departure of jeff sessions were a prelude to ending the mueller problem. richard blume...