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They're going to hope for a splashy headline. if the tide turns it's going to be because there's more pressure from individual members of congress, and they are going to feel the pressure over the last few weeks. it's important to note after the mueller testimony which was widely thought of as a dud, at least in new york and washington, it's not like the number of members calling for impeachment went down. it's continued ticking up towards a hundred now. that is a significant number, and as we've just been talking about, there's going to be more probably in the next few weeks. >> rutger, i ask...

Of this and there will be reals consequences. >> so much attention has been focused on the mueller testimony, the mueller report. the media made it out like this was a guy that was running the whole show. i mean, all right, maybe he didn't write it but did he even read it? now i'm starting to wonder what he was doing this entire time, what his role was the entire time and why he had the nerve to show up to give testimony and not even know what seemed to be in a report that was labeled the mueller report. what's going on here? this is madness. >> it was total madness, complete mystery to me tha...

But it shows general patterns. one of the patterns, democracy doesn't win on its own. it is not a super power. it is not an attribute of this people or that people. democracy is something you have to care about and you have to fight for. one thing in history shows is a democracy is either advancing or it's retreating. right now it's retreating. and if we take together the mueller testimony, the mueller report, the recent report of the senate, what we see in the world all around us, we see we have a big problem. the question is not right now whether americans can show the world what democracy l...

His report. what's important to remember here is that if you had read the report going into the testimony then your mind was sort of made up. if you have not read the report, you did not understand what was happening because -- i am not sure it changed a lot of people's minds. >> matt, what do you see the risks for democrats going forward now? >> well, the best analogy here is benghazi, right? you don't want to create a situation where the optics are you got an answer and you didn't like the answer so you kept going and inform your committee and kept on investigating and doing this stuff. it i...

>> it does seem to be alarming that, you know, this week we had the mueller testimony, we had this senate intelligence report. but we had another incident this week that to me should actually raise more alarm bells. and that is the president seems to be standing alone in the republican party. even today on wanting to punish turkey, a nato member, for essentially going to russia for military help. and here the united states would like to sanction turkey. and president trump is begging them not to. look, i'm not saying there's a direct line here. but how does these dots not get put together in a...