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Done more to push back against the smear campaign? >> this is another step by the president to intimidate witnesses. >> and now the president real-time is attacking you, some of us here, take witness intimidation very, very seriously. >> if they're more focused on that, you have to wonder if the testimony itself was not that damaging to the president and didn't advance their -- >> i don't care about her feelings, i care about the facts at hand. again, i wonder if this is going to be like the mueller testimony where it actually really hurts the democrats' cause and case. ultimately what have we...

For tomorrow? >> this is something they called for. they wanted public hearings. there is a hope from the white house that a key element that comes out is distancing the president from these witnesses. house republicans they're hoping will make the argument that none of these people had direct conservations with the president. and of course the white house has so far effectively blocked anyone from testified who has had direct conversations with the president, for example chief of staff mick mulvaney. they have seen in past public hearings. they seem to not go as bad as expected. think about t...

Congressman was just saying that it's going to be staff members doing the questions as opposed to members of congress, we haven't seen that for a while. that's pretty interesting. there was a lot of talk of should that have been done in, you know, the mueller testimony, in other testimonies. but do you think that's going to make much of a difference in terms of public perception? >> i don't know if it's going to make much of a difference in public perception. it may mean that you get more and better information out of the witnesses because of course the committee lawyers are really steeped in ...

People to testify. >> gloria, the idea that the congressman was just saying that it's going to be staff members doing the questioning as opposed to members of congress, we haven't seen that for a while. that's pretty interesting. you know, there were a lot of -- there was a lot of talk of should not have been done in, you know, the mueller testimony, in other testimonies, but do you think that's going to make much of a difference in terms of public perception? >> well, i don't know if it's going to make much of a difference in public perception. it may mean that you get more or better informat...

Investigation. the democrats may be overlearning the lessons of the way they handled the mueller testimony, which was not very well. now i think they realize that during the mueller testimony, they kind of let things sort of go on and on and on and weren't forceful enough. so now i think they're saying all right. we have to speed things up. the danger of that is that the american public may say whoa, wait a minute, we need to hear more. but they believe they have a narrative that's easily digestible and that they can tell it very directly and very quickly. i think they want to get this done be...