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This new letter that directs mueller to not say anything at all to congress about trump or about any of his investigative decisions saying that everything else he did is covered by privilege and otherwise stuff at the department expects him not to talk about or wants him not to talk about. a senior official told us that mueller's july 10th letter to the justice department which this letter said it is in response to, apparently that letter from mueller to justice was a one-paragraph letter sending them the subpoenas he got from congress and asking for guidance on what he could say. now we know ...

I want to ask you about it. i also want to ask you, how does rudy still have a job? his purpose in life was to flip those numbers around. his purpose for being here was not to keep donald trump out of being named in a charging or sentencing document in the southern district of new york because he failed at that. his purpose in life was not to keep the president from answering questions from robert mueller because he did just that. his purpose in life was to make the american people not believe robert mule eller. that poll, your poll, shows he failed. >> nicolle, imagine what the numbers would ...

Papadopoulos. we don't know what gates has given them. flynn seems to be the linchpin of the mueller investigation as we watch it unfold into other areas of inquiry. i think this is an important case for mueller and i think flynn is going to prevail in not getting jail time. >> interesting. you don't think flynn will get time. we'll see soon enough. cohen, flynn, manafort, different situations and scenarios, but a common factor that mule eller has cared about they told us who else they were talking to at the administration and in the campaign when they were doing the things that they have now ...

Worth noting and this picks up on what laura said is that there is communication being made to by many parties to all parties. in the indictments and statements made to the press, mule eller is signaling much to concerned about. in particular, the indictment of manafort suggests he's being investigated for the kind of money laundering that has to do with organizing a conspiracy. it's not just about hiding money from the united states government, but it's about obtaining funds illegally to further some untoward project. and i think that that implicates many people in trump's circle and that's b...

Interesting is, a pardon can even come before someone is charged with a crime. for example, president ford pardoned president nixon before he was charged with a crime outside of the impeachment context. and so there's really no limit on the president's power to pardon. he could pardon proactively, even before charges come against manafort or michael flynn. and so in that way, i worry that robert mule eller and his team could lose the leverage they would ordinarily have in such a case. >> barbara, you mentioned no limit, under the constitution, as you say, there's no time limit, it can come ear...