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Does not work now . Right. Does not work now. Never worked then either. Historically, midterms and polls have shown that people want a check on the president , not a blank check on the president. All right. Thank you all very much. And that is obviously a big Special Election matters across this country. So please stay with us with our special coverage of the Ohio Special Election. It continues now with ac 360. And good evening. Thanks for joining us. It is once again Election Night in america, or at least in five states with some key races that could take the temperature of the electorate thr...

Out the clock a little bit? >> well, i see it more in a different way. i see it more as giuliani wants to make an offer to mueller that mule kerr not accept. and in the end, it's mueller who says sorry, i don't accept it. and we're not going to do it on your terms. that way trump can continue to say look, i wanted to testify. my lawyers made an offer to testify, and it was mueller who turned me down. and then ball is on mueller's court. he has to decide to subpoena or not subpoena the president. if he does, he's in for a year-long litigation about whether the president can be subpoenaed. the a...

Rosenstein and going down the line, saturday night massacre style, or installing someone in sessions' place who could stifle mueller from the top. i think his chances of getting mueller completely out may be less than his chances of really hamstringing him. but if he brings in the right sort of yes man for himself, the ability to really put his boot on the neck of -- >> right circumstances pronounced, even if mueller is nominally still in the chair. >> that's an important point, right. so that mule kerr stay and you can put a supervisor that really sort of chokes off his oxygen, more than firi...

Theres either by firing rosenstein and going down the line, saturday night massacre style, or installing someone in sessions' place who could stifle muler from the top. i think his chances of getting mueller completely out may be less than his chances of really hamstringing him. but if he brings in the right sort of yes man for himself, the ability to really put his boot on the neck of -- >> right circumstances pronounced, even if mueller is nominally still in the chair. >> that's an important point, right. so that mule kerr stay and you can put a supervisor that really sort of chokes off his ...

Well, it has always been my view that he wants to avoid it like the plague. the perjury trap idea that his allies are pro pounding doesn't make a lot of sense. the reason it's not a perjury trap is because if he is guilty of obstruction, as he seems to be, it's not a trap. he either has to tell the truth or lie. those are his choices. but i think that it's always been the case not withstanding this bravado on his part how he loved to talk to mueller. and the lawyers being care to feel say we're going to decide. i think it's always been the case that it's something they need to avoid, that the ...