A weeknight look at the news, featuring interviews, analysis and panel discussions hosted by Bret Baier. recordings regarding other people having nothing to do with the trump organization, which to give you an idea of what a scoundrel he was. my opinion has turned on him on a dime when i found out he was a lawyer recording his clients. fundamentally that s a dishonorable offense. the president did expand on the threats to shut down the government if the president doesn t give him what he wants on immigration reform and $25 billion to build a wall along the southern border. i would be certainly willing to consider a shutdown if we don t get proper border security. i have no redline. the president was on friendly territory on the issue of immigration. italy s prime minister has pledged to tighten his country s immigration laws. but avoiding the political fallout from a government shutdown may be a difficult maneuver for president trump to accomplish. president trump also surprised the nation today, a week after threatening iran with consequences, the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered. the president said he would be willing to sit down and talk employees. female administrator calls them deeply disturbing and is asking for an investigation by the homeland security inspector general. the post says cory coleman resigned in june after leading the personnel department since 2011. as you heard, the top republican in the senate says there will be no government shutdown before the november midterm elections. the president, though, sending a different signal today. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is on capitol hill tonight. president trump once his border wall and is willing to shut down the government for it. after many, many years of talk within the united states i would have no problem doing a shutdown. it s time we had proper border security. 99 days out from the midterm elections in the message from congress to the white house is no government shutdown. let s hope not. i think hopefully most of the appropriation bills will actually be passed. i certainly don t like playing shutdown politics. i don t think it would be helpful, so let s try and avoid it. even democrats make the case a shutdown this fall would do a lot of damage. the shutdown would be very bad news for the country, total disruption and i think it would be a very bad idea for republicans. last week mitch mcconnell and speaker paul ryan met with the president to urge against the shutdown, warning it could damage the argument republicans will make for reelection in november with the g.o.p. running washington. it can also mess with the efforts to get judge brett kavanaugh confirmed to the supreme court just weeks before the midterm elections. today cavanagh met with joe manchin, the first democrat to do so during this confirmation process. after initially voicing concerns with the president trump spec, rand paul took some of the drama away from cavanagh s confirmation announcing he was a yes . and other republicans are predicting cavanagh will be confirmed with at least some democratic votes. when it comes to brett kavanaugh i have zero doubt he s going to be on the supreme court before the end of october. he s highly qualified, well deserving. we are going to break the back of every democratic effort to stop this man from being on the supreme court. that s this nomination in terms of future vacancies, ruth bader ginsburg said she s not going anywhere anytime soon. at 85, ginsberg says she thinks she s got at least five more years and her on the high court. bret: mike emanuel on capitol hill, thanks. what do you think, would you be in favor of a government shutdown in order to get funding for the border wall? let me know on twitter. you can use the hashtag, or on facebook. stocks were off today. the dow lost 144. the s&p 500 dropped 16. the nasdaq plunged 107. overseas, turkey s leadership is apparently willing to call president trump s bluff. the turkish president says he will not back down over the detention of an american pastor years, but turkey accuses brunson of terrorism and for supporting a turkish cleric who lives in pennsylvania and who president erdogan believes was the mastermind behind a failed military coup in 2016. turkey is demanding he be extradited. last week brunson was released from prison but he remains under house arrest. earlier this month it appears the deal was in the works to release brunson. an israeli official confirmed to fox news that president trump called israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu to request the release of a turkish woman arrested in israel on suspicion of aiding the militant group hamas. she was released, but brunson remains in custody. turkey s relationship with the united states has been fraying for years largely due to disagreements about the war in syria. pastor brunson s release will go a long way to easing tensions between the trump administration and president erdogan s government. bret. bret: connor, thank you. here in washington, we welcome the italian prime minister, prime minister conte. thank you. thank you for the interview. bret: you have met with president trump before at the g7. you have exchanged some friendly tweets to one another. tell me about the relationship with president trump and what you were hoping out of this alliance. i met president trump, as you mentioned, during the g7 and canada. there was a feeling by the beginning and maybe because we are not from political backwards. we pay attention to the needs of our people. i hope that also we can increase this relationship between our countries. bret: you have the third largest economy, italy is. the e.u. commissioner was just here talking trade. your thoughts on that development and where it s headed? i was very happy about the meeting that the president of the e.u., president trump they held here in washington. also because they reaffirmed the special relationship between the european union and the united states. of course i understand very well the position of president trump. would like to have a rebalance of the u.s. foreign trades. we have to work for this goal and make a shift for this goal and i hope we can find a good solution for american citizens, italian citizens and european citizens. bret: there are many italians, it seems, who blame the e.u. for some economic problems. as you took over power there was some talk about whether italy would be in the e.u. you are going to stay in the european union? we are going to stay. we ve been very comfortable in the european union. but of course we want to stay also according to our region, according also to our needs of italian citizens. my position is very clear in the most him important issue, migration, economic, political situation. we will try to, of course, convince the other member states to direct their position in the same direction. bret: other people in italy who look at great britain in the middle of brexit and say we need to do that? we feel very comfortable in the european union. there is no future in that direction. bret: you mentioned migration. half of all the migrants, refugees coming by sea to europe landed in italy. half of them. that is a big issue in your country. you have to consider that since my government took office, the illegal migration dramatically dropped. we are talking about 80, 85% less then comparing the last year. our strategy is working out. bret: when you hear president trump on the issue of immigration here in the u.s. taking a hard line, that is something that you identify with. i identify with that position. you are mentioning a hard position. i think we have to fight against the criminal migration. we need to be conscious, the damages, the risk for the migrants, it s not only important to focus on the mediterranean sea but we had to also concentrate from the other countries. supported by the criminal organizations. bret: one of the issues the u.s. is concerned about his libya and the chaos that has been libya. the u.s. has obviously had a role in the past. what is your assessment of libya, you are next-door and you feel obviously the impact of what happens in that country? libya, i think we share the same vision. we want a more prosperous libya. in this way, through this way we can reach more security for the entire mediterranean sea. bret: does it include u.s. troops again? it s important to cooperate with all the libyan people in order the direction is very clear. to have elections, political presidential elections in a condition very sublime. bret: in europe, where do you see the trajectory going? what is the biggest issue for european countries? the most important issues are to keep unity of the european union, because we are 28 state members and you can understand it is difficult to have a future of solidarity. we are many countries now with different sensibility spirit bret: mr. prime minister, we appreciate your time. thank you very much. bret: we will be right back to special report after this break. call one today. are you in good hands? they work togetherf doing important stuff. the hitch? like you, your cells get hungry. feed them. with centrum micronutrients. restoring your awesome, daily. centrum. feed your cells. xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. bret: the transportation security administration is pushing back tonight on a report about a secret surveillance program targeting americans who are not suspected of a crime. correspondent leah gabriel looks at both sides from new york. a previously unknown tsa program designed to keep you safe is drawing fire for secretly tracking u.s. citizens not on the terrorist watch list or suspected of a crime. the boston globe first reported the quiet skies program over the weekend. the tsa confirmed it first began in 2010 with the aim of preventing another 9/11. tsa officers are trained in behavioral detection and so they are already looking for somebody who is acting erratically, who makes them extremely nervous, someone who is exhibiting signs that other people who have executed attacks on airports and airplanes have exhibited. under this program, as travelers pass through airport security, a computer algorithm spots those whose travel and activities match with current threat intelligence. a human team then bets the information and if there is a red flag in the flyer s background, that person may be followed through his or her travel and watched. one attorney for the aclu saying they are watching travelers in secret and they are doing it without any suspicion of actual wrongdoing. but it tsa official tells fox news the program has a system of checks and balances, including with the agency calls robust oversight. so the idea that ordinary u.s. citizens are being surveilled is wrong. average americans would not come close to qualifying for inclusion in this program. if you are being observed by a federal air marshal as part of this program, it is because you have a pattern of travel as well as other activities. although this program may be new to the public, the tsa tells fox news congress has been briefed on it four times in the last few months and that there is strong oversight from legal and civil liberties experts. the agency also says that contrary to some news reports, race and religion are not criteria for selection. bret: we will follow it, thank you. also a new york senate, increasing speculation about the future of one of the most power up till my powerful people medi media. the cbs board of directors today discussed what to do about sexual harassment allegations against chief executive les moonves. howard kurtz tells us where things stand right now. the dark cloud over cbs was a prime topic today on its morning show. the board of directors at cbs is expected to meet today amid allegations of sexual harassment against chairman and ceo leslie moonves. since ronan farrow reported highly detailed allegations by six women spanning three decades, three board members aligned against moonves and pushed for his immediate suspension, but no action has been taken. it underscores a huge problem at cbs. if this kind of behavior is coming from the chairman of the company, it could be seen as a reflection of the general and overall culture at cbs. the one time actress julie chen today reinforced her tweets defending her husband. i will stand by that statement. has led the resurgent from last-place to first place and recently found a commission to eliminate harassment in the workplace. last week ncis was watched by 25 million people. i don t think we are dying. a far different portrait emerges in the new yorker. douglas told the magazine that in 1997 business meeting moonves held her down, violently kissed and groped her and after she fought him off had her fired from a cbs sitcom. kristin peters said moonves put his hand up her skirt and touched her underwear. moonves who are admitting kissing douglas denied harming anyone s career and said he knew no means no but added i recognize there were times decades ago and they may have made some women uncomfortable in making advances. those were mistakes and i regret them immensely. cbs quickly fired anchor charlie rose after the washington post reported harassment allegations against him in november. moonves is already locked in a legal battle with jerry whetstone, who wants to combine cbs and viacom. the cbs board meeting ended today with no action be on the search for an outside law firm to investigate. but it will be hard for the network to return to business as usual with moonves still in charge. bret: thanks. up next, california burns as more than a dozen wildfires tear through that state and other western states, forcing thousands to evacuate. here s what some of our fox affiliates around the country are covering tonight. fox 29 in philadelphia as state officials say they have successfully stopped a company that makes 3d downloadable guns, for making them internet accessible in pennsylvania and from uploading new files. a texas company agreed to block pennsylvania users after an emergency hearing sunday. fox 28 in columbus, ohio, as vice president mike pence visits suburban newark to campaign for state senator troy balderson. he s running for ohio s 12th congressional district against democrat danny o connor. this is alive look at kansas city from our affiliate fox 4. big story there tonight a lawsuit seeking $100 million in damages has been filed against the owners and operators of a tourist boat that sank earlier this month in a missouri lake, killing 17 people. at the federal lawsuit was filed sunday on behalf of two members of an indiana family who lost nine relatives when that boat sank. that s tonight s live look outside the beltway from special report. we will be right back. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. save $200 on this dell 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further out into the driveway, metal is just about the only thing left from this truck after the car fire swept through this area. it s unfortunate if our house is burned. it sounds like there s only two places sanding so the chances are that it probably did. the car fire is one of just nearly 2200 fires burning. of 12,000 firefighters from across the state are on the front line. it s a back burn into the creek. even with the help from 800 national guard soldiers and 150 engines from outside the state, containing these fires remains a dangerous mission. at least half of the eight deaths linked to the fires are among crews. the rest residents including some who either chose not to evacuate or didn t receive notice at all. cal fire tonight announcing they will allow the first round of evacuees to finally return home, but many are bracing for the worst, not knowing if they are t everything. bret: in redding, california, jeff, thanks. attorney general jeff sessions says the justice department is committed to protecting the religious rights of americans. sessions telling an audience at a religious liberty summit western culture has become less hospitable to people of faith. a dangerous movement undetected by many, but real is now challenging and eroding a great tradition, our religious freedom. there can be no doubt it s no little matter. it must be confronted intellectually and politically and defeated. bret: session says he believes one reason president trump was elected was because he said he respected people of faith. up next, the panel on president trump s apparent decision to reject an interview with the special counsel and the latest on all of that. first, beyond our borders tonight, a new report into the disappearance of malaysian airlines flight 370 highlights shortcomings in the government s response and raises the possibility of intervention by a third party. the plane carrying 239 people to beijing vanished, as you may remember, four years ago, presumed to have crashed in the far southern indian ocean. the report reiterates malaysia s assertion, the plane was deliberately diverted and flung for more than seven hours after severing communications. three russian opposition leaders were detained by police minutes after the conclusion of a demonstration against the government plan to raise the retirement age. the protest in central moscow had been authorized by city authorities and attracted thousands of people. the proposal to raise the pension age for men from 60 to 65 and from 55 to 63 for women has sparked dissent across the political spectrum. and greece s prime minister has visited the site of the countries deadliest wildfire in decades a week after the blaze swept through a seaside resort north of athens killing thousands of people. the vast majority of victims died in the fire itself with some growling while swimming out to see you trying to flee those flames. just some of the other stories beyond our borders tonight. we 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relationship? i turned him down to head the fbi one day before appointment as special counsel and comey is is right. why is mueller only appointing angry dams? some of whom have worked for kroger hillary, others have worked for obama. why isn t he looking at all of the criminal activity. we start there with our expanded penalty. brit hume. chris stirewalt s politics editor here at fox news. mollie hemingway, senior editor at the federalist and charles lane, the opinion writer for the washington post . thoughts on giuliani s press to her? disposition today, series of them. a lot of confusion and our people arguing tonight that he does this on purpose. you see everybody get all mixed up. i think he came out and said something that sounded very much like he was giving ground as to whether there had been collusion. i don t think you meant to do that and i think he tried to walk it back and how successful he did that remains to be seen, but there remains tonight i think a lot of confusion. bret: one thing that is clear is that rudy giuliani is saying president trump will not sit down for an interview with mueller. i try to look back at the big picture here, what is trump and giuliani trying to accomplish? and i feel with their political base if there were any traction to this investigation at all they would be behaving much differently. they feel no need to give anything to robert mueller as long as republicans are behind them and i checked, and i was right, my hunch was right. in the latest quinnipiac poll, 61% of republicans regard the investigation as unfair. 82 republicans agree with the president that it s a witch hunt. as long as he s got that kind of agreement from his base, he feels no need to give in. i do think people in d.c. like to separate that initial fbi investigation where you saw that there was spying on the trump campaign and the use of human informants, the wiretaps, the secret subpoenas called national security letters from the mueller investigation and what i thought was interesting that he said is these are just the same investigation, and that is true that mueller picked up that initial investigation and he just has more money and fewer restrictions. i think that it is worth having a conversation about what exactly is going on with this investigation, how much has been going on, how long people are expected to wait to find out whether there s anything and whether there is such political bias inherent in the investigation the latest updates without that mueller was digging into tweets. this is kind of silly and ridiculous. bret: on obstruction. from collusion from treason to collusion, some obstruction of justice charge. i think people have the right to know what the scope of the investigation is, how much money they intend to spend, how much time they expect to take place so i hope people get more answers. bret: it doesn t happen in a vacuum. it is moving forward. tomorrow the trial for paul manafort starts and that s obviously tangential to the russian collusion allegations, but we will see more evidence against manafort in coming days. and we will see more evidence of why no one would hire paul manafort. these are the consequences of being a political novice as the president when he came in. none of the other candidates hired paul manafort because he wasn t suitable to hire. what did we see, $60 million i think that he took doing work for some rather questionable entities in the ukraine says federal prosecutors. so talk that went up to experience. i don t think trump would rehire paul manafort. i also think that we are getting to the terminal phase. when it comes to manafort, certainly, but mueller says september 1st was his target all along. that s where he wanted to get. if that s what we believe, so i think things are going to get a lot more choppy in the next couple weeks. bret: and giuliani has said that, that mueller has told him they will wrap it up sometime early in the fall. then it becomes the subject of the whole campaign going into the elections, which is why you think the president the president s view of this is that he can make it a political advantage. he hammers on mueller as unfair and bias, he is preparing the ground for the republican campaign in the fall to turn out the base as a protest against what they are going to be told and what many of them believe is a biased mueller investigation. what we know and what we don t know, it s reasonable i think to consider the possibility that what so in flames president trump about this investigation is that he believes that he is innocent and he can t understand why nearly two years now into his presidency he still having to deal with this monkey on his back. and a lot of things we know he hasn t been innocent, but he may well be innocent in this case and i m not sure how different his behavior would be. i think his behavior would be very different if you weren t. we talked about before with questioning his election and russians actually doing things to so chaos in the elections. i think it is also worth remembering things like davis and paul manafort were people that republicans hired on campaigns. long ago for paul manafort. there seems to be a different standard here and one that thinks that anything you do is okay because it s donald trump and anything you can run against him, there s nothing that s unfair and there s nothing that s ridiculous. i think a lot of republican voters are wondering why donald trump is the only person actually making some of these claims about the unfairness of the investigation or this idea that mueller is beyond reproach. people says that he too has a history, including messing up the anthrax. i think we will get a real sense of what the russians actually did, the exact things they did and the extent of it and the extent of its potential effect. we have some knowledge of that. we will get more. some of the anti-trump zealots are now claiming that the russians actually swung the election. i think that s an extremely dubious theory, but the mueller investigation s final outcome on what the russians did may settle that. bret: what we are going to say? the russians were involved with another campaign. hillary clinton secretly bought a dossier that was sourced to promote operative. i m very curious why mueller hasn t dug into that margaret is not interesting that you can secretly hire a foreign spy who sourced information to promote operatives. if people were really genuinely concerned about russian meddling, and by the way the fact that the spy let it be known that he was looking for dirt meant that he opened himself up to exploitation by russian government operatives. if we genuinely truly cared about these things i think you would see much more interest in the media and by mueller into that. bret: i m not sure that we are not going down that road with the second ig report from horwitz and you may see that in those topics covered. i want to talk about two things. one is the reference to conflicts of interest. john roberts reports that it appears to be a reference to a 2011 dispute over fees at the trump golf course when mueller had a dispute over fees for the golf course outside washington. except that the president s tweets as he wanted it to be fbi chief. bret: that was in addition to this. i don t think that amounts to a whole lot. i just think it s interesting that it s that personal at that point. bret: rudy giuliani on this second meeting that he comes out and talks about a second trump tower meeting that never happens. take a listen. two alleged meetings. first meeting, group of people, not the president. a group of people say the meeting didn t take place. the only person that has alleged it is cohen. the second meeting, in walks donald trump jr., says let me meet with the russians, never took place. bret: he just brings up in this outnumbered interview saying that reporters have asked him about a second meeting that cohen is going to say this in some story. i love the response from our colleague guy benson, sitting on the center of the curvy couch and he was pining about what the former new york mayor had said earlier in the day on television. it became apparent that as giuliani was listening he said e gad, i made a mess! 91, go. longtime viewer, first time fire caller, rudy from new york. and i also tend to agree on this, which is i do not think this is strategic chaos. i think this is just plain chaos. bret: i m going to do a hard turn here. this is the president today on iran. take a listen. i ended the iran deal, it was a ridiculous deal. i do believe that they will probably end up wanting to meet and i m writing to meet anytime they want to and i don t do that from strength or from weakness, i think it s an appropriate thing to do. if we could work something out that is meaningful, not the waste of paper that the other deal was, i would certainly be willing to meet, anytime they want. it s good for the country, good for them, good for us and good for the world. no preconditions. if they want to meet, i will meet. bret: meeting with iran s president. this is what the secretary of state said just a couple of days ago. as president trump i said, we are willing to talk with the regime in iran but relief from american pressure will come only when we see tangible demonstrated and sustained shifts in tehran s policies. bret: so? you know me, he says, i will meet with anybody. he did not suggest an pompeo certainly didn t that there would be any relief involved as a precondition of anything we are doing vis-a-vis iran, so he thinks meeting with these guys is good. i have my doubts, but that s what he does, that s his style and he thinks he s a great meter. it would confer a lot of legitimacy on a regime that we ve been trying very hard in all other ways to delegitimize. it wouldn t be the first time, because we did that with kim jong un of north korea too. bret: next up, is president trump serious about a government shutdown? ahoy-hoy. alexander graham bell here. no, no, my number is one, you must want two! two, i say!! like my father before. 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the wall. just moments ago the senate appropriations committee chairman, shelby from alabama said there could be a vote to override a veto to avoid her shutdown. asked what he think president trump makes such threats, he said i don t know, it s not a good threat for anybody and said that they are moving forward with regular order. chris stirewalt, what about this? do you ever see the grace of the church picnic where you get an egg and a tablespoon and you have to walk across that s mitch mcconnell with the budget trying to get something passed before the election so everybody can go home and campaign. whether or not there s a shutdown, all of these things first question, can they get something out of the house? the issue in the house, as we know, it s about the wall, but it s also about amnesty and the freedom caucus basically shot down a plan for a package that would have funded the wall because it included an amnesty for the people who were brought here illegally. if we think of it as a pejorative word, alleged amnesty, they shut it down because they said they wouldn t go for it. first he got to find something to get out of the house and then it has to get through the senate. this is going to be tough. these are tough tumblers to tur turn. if you learn anything from decades of occasional government shutdowns, it s this, the public hates them. they may not say that in advance, but they always do and whatever party gets the blame pays the price. this most recent instance the democrats got the blame. they were the ones making all the noise about it and what happened they backed away almost instantly. bret: are poles said most responsible, democrats 32%. they backed up immediately. ted cruz was the pied piper of the conservatives in the house of all places. it backfired terribly. the republican party standing with the public dropped to the lowest level in the history of the gallup poll. people say they won the next election. they did, but that was a year and a couple of months to go before that and a major intervening event, which was wa disastrous roll out of obamacare. shutdown politics are a bad idea and if you are going to try to pull that off, the last thing you want to be doing is threatening it because it means that you are going to be blamed. bret: molly? i think what you have is a president who really wants to deal with the issue and an establishment in both parties that really doesn t want to deal with the issue and donald trump knows that the leverage he has is with the voters and the only time republicans get the steel needed to take on their donor class and talk about immigration is when they are under threat from voters. donald trump is using this leverage he has to encourage people to actually take action. he s got a strong economy, he s got his second supreme court nominee confirmation process going through. he s in a position of strength right now and immigration is an issue that he ran on and he cares about, so i think he wants paul ryan said it s not an issue up if this will happen but when. i think donald trump is saying i m losing my patience. bret: there are some inside washington that say this effort, and by threatening this potentially threatens the kavanaugh nomination. shelby was asked about that and he says it s two different kettle of fish but people get polarized here and eventually everything comes together. i didn t think i would ever say this, i really strongly agree with molly s take on this. bret: sweet of him, right? it s a lovely sentiment. what s really going on here is the president is responding, just like he is on the mueller thing, to his base. in this great scheme of things, what does he care about most? i m not sure it s brett kavanaugh. not even sure it s whether the republicans hold the house. it s how he does in 2020. and he has to authenticate himself constantly on this issue of immigration because that he knows there s hard data to set him apart from all the other republicans. 72% of republicans favor building the wall. on the substance of the issue, he s right. and they don t care about the shutdowns, at least rhetorically. he can make a big fuss and bother ground about i preferred this even to keeping the government open and that is will he go so far as to let it shutdown? he never has before, but that can be forgiven. i think that s why he s doing this. bret: the italian prime minister talking as well. you can t build a wall in the mediterranean sea but i think they would have if they could. bret: panel, thank you very much. when we come back, high school sweethearts get hitched to a different beat. call one today. are you in good hands? 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that s the combining of the denial with the collusion is not a crime narrative. the president was focusing on just the straight up no collusion point. you see it in all the tweets. now it is roaring back because of the thursday night bombshell that the president s own former lawyer and fixer cohen is claiming despite all the denials, the president did know about the russia trump tower meeting in advance. when that report drop, you know what happens next, they picked it up and whipped it around and began running with it again. it s hard to see the point of all of this hysteria. what would the crime be? it is not illegal to talk to foreigners. nobody is claiming that any information changed hands. even if did it, so what? i don t think it is bad if campaigns are turning to foreign governments for dirt. it s not collusion. it is not something that s impeachable. as they today? hacking. donald trump famously doesn t pay his own contractors and his own long time lawyers? even if his opponents were accusing him of anything, it wouldn t be of paying vladimir putin for the hack. but big picture, we are as all of this voluminous record shows, a long way from any climbed of straight denial and we re getting closer to people who work for the president right now saying that even an alleged knowing election congress spearcy quid pro quo ought to be legal. mueller is probing how trump used the july 26, 2016 speech that we all remember to weirdly address russia in the second person on the veryville activity that has now been indicted for saying, russia, if you re listening, i hope you re able to find the 30,000 e-mails are missing. we know this time line. it was from the first time they attempted on spear fish accounts used by clinton s personal office. is that just history? odd sniming did mueller just indict and now getting toward wrap things up? to be fair, we don t know. we haven t said. what we re seeing amidst this collusion is not a crime hysteria is the people closest to this, people like rudolph giuliani and the president himself, they re not acting like mueller is wrapping this up. they re acting like something is about to get much hotter and like it is somehow for some reason important to them to get at least their supporters, at least some people in this nation tonight torsion believe that crimes are not crimes. i turn now to a former federal prosecutor, a u.s. attorney in the district of new york. thanks for being here tonight. thanks for having me. collusion is not a word that figures important sbli the federal statutes. but the reference to a reference conspiracy is the type of crime that is in the statutes. walk us through what to make of this defense. if you were to sit on television every night and every time you talk about this investigation, you would have to say, let s talk about the investigation into a conspiracy to defraud the united states from impeding the proper functions of the government, people would turn the channel off. collusion is just shorthand for potentially several crimes that are in the federal coat. and so this shift in strategy when rudolph giuliani unquestionably knows that, means to me there is something else up. it is just too simplistic and too incorrect even for someone like rudolph giuliani who mass made a number of misleading and incorrect statements over the past couple months, even for him, it is a clear change in strategy. what does it suggest that he s worried about? you mentioned the cohen piece. follow me here for a second. giuliani introduced the notion of this preceding meeting to that june 9 meeting. that was not out there before. today on one of his many interviews, he said that one of the people at that meeting was rick gates. rick gates is the star cooperating witness in the paul manafort trial set to begin tomorrow. and before a trial, the government has to provide every prior statement of any of their witnesses. so now manafort s attorneys have rick gates prior statements, all of his interview with mueller and the team. what sticks out to me is that gates was at that meeting and it would not surprise me, this is pure conjecture and there may be limitations on whether manafort s lawyers can disclose this. but it wouldn t surprise me at all if rudolph giuliani learned from manafort s lawyers a little bit about what rick gates is going to say about collusion. and they re now trying to get out in front of this by not denying there is collusion but by saying it is not a crime. that is a fascinating theory that would plane is the chain of potential information. given what he is charged with, why would the trump tower meeting come up at all? it will likely not come up at the trial. because of the federal statutes that require the government to disclose all of his prior statements, they can know used on cross-examination to impeach him, manafort s lawyers will have known about it. so don t expect i in the trial that s coming but in potential back channels, giuliani could learn, and he was not able to speak to rick gates. when he says, i ve spoken to everybody at those meetings, it is not true that giuliani at least has spoken to rick gates, since gates cooperated. and you re referring to how, well, let s talk about a pre meeting which could make them look bad if they were all geared up and prepping for getting bad stuff on clinton and the russians. what is he doing? covering his tracks. i think he spoke too much. i think he realized this is first time anyone had heard of this pre meeting and everyone is focused on it now. for him to say there was a pre meeting but the president was not there and didn t know about it. thou dost protest too much. of course he didn t speak to putin on the phone and say can you interfere on my behalf. and there is no fundamental understanding of a conspiracy which does not require direct contact. you can build evidence through all sorts of direct or circumstantial evidence. right and giuliani knows even accepting a thing of value is illegal. it doesn t require the actual transaction. thank you for being here tonight. thank you for having me. we appreciate it. i want to turn to another guest of ours who has been all over this probe from the start. thank you for being here. where do you come down on rudy, secret genius or bumbling incompetent spokesperson or bumbling incompetent spokesperson that is hiding a genius? well, i think it is really, really difficult to be a lawyer for a client who is notoriously unreliable. it seems like rudolph giuliani does not know the facts in any given situation. his own client is not being completely honest with him. donald trump has changed his story on so many things related to the russian interference and his own role in them that it is really hard even for giuliani to keep up with it. so it seems like he s just making up his own facts as he goes along, as evidenced today when he gave two separate accounts of what actually happened in that meeting on june 9. he claimed there was a pre meeting, meeting on june 7 that rick gates and jared kushner and paul manafort attended. and then claimed that meeting never happened and he said it was leaked but it hadn t yet been made public. so it is a lot of whip lash and it seems like giuliani is trying to muddy the waters and confuse as much as possible because that s their only strategy at this point. to make people really, really confused about what actually happens so they can look at the next sheeny thing and move on. and we haven t reached his other defense that is remarkable and looks like bad news for people who are not at the highest levels of the white house. i guess we could call at this time vip defense. the back of the club where you have the special vip section. he basically says, and i m quoting, when i say no collusion between the trump campaign and russia, i m only speaking about the top four or five people in the campaign. which appears to be him narrowing the circle of, he is denying collusion only in the vip section. not the rest of the club. i don t know what that means. it is really hard to decipher rudolph giuliani s comments. i think maybe what he is referring to is people like george papadopoulos who was offered dirt by the russians in the form of thousands of e-mails stolen from clinton s inbox. paul manafort was the campaign chairman for roughly four months at the most pivotal moment. he is directly at the center of it. he was the highest ranking member of that campaign with the closest ties to russia. and it is important to remember that he was heavily in debt by the time he came on as chairman and he offered to do it for free. he offered campaign access to a russian old garg in exchange for debt relief. these are all things that won t be addressed in the upcoming trial due to begin tomorrow with jury selection because it will focus mostly on his tax and bank fraud crimes. there will be a reckoning and will it be in his d.c. trial which will focus on his efforts as an unregistered foreign agent. it is especially notable in a campaign as thenally staffed as the trump campaign. we know that from the requirements and they often bragged about that. thank you so much tonight. thanks. whether or not the president s attorneys believe collusion is a crime or not, the first real live trial in the mueller probe does begin tomorrow. that and much more ahead tonight. fruits and veggies are essential to your health, but it s tough to get enough of their nutrients. new one a day with nature s medley is the only complete multivitamin with antioxidants from one total serving of fruits and veggies try new one a day with nature s medley. end citizens united is responsible for the content of this advertising. end citizens united is responsible no matter how much you clean, does your house still smell stuffy? that s because your home is filled with soft surfaces that trap odors and release them back into the room. so, try febreze 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larger debate around collusion. to help us understand where it fits in and paul manafort, we are joined by jeff horowitz. thank you for your time. thanks for having me. you have done a lot of reporting and investigation of what manafort s work meant. the work in ukraine, in russia, the link to this oligarch that we ve heard so much about. because of this trial, because we ve learned that it is not explicitbly that, what do you think will be important that we learn through it? so it may not be as much of what we re going to learn here. a lot of it is cut and dry. it is a step and something that robert mueller s team needs to get done successfully. this is not about collusion. this is about a give who allegedly made $60 million overseas, didn t want to pay taxes but did want to spend it on fancy suits and yankee season ticket passes and time in the hamts. there s a box this your tax return that says if you have any overseas bank accounts, you re supposed to disclose them. manafort didn t click that one. so we ll see what the, bank component is. the closer we get to the campaign is the suggestion that manafort s gave a campaign job and potentially some encouragement for a white house or a government job to a banker who was providing allegedly fraudulent loans to him. and that would reveal more than. at a evasion? it would look like an attempt to use the campaign? the question of why this person was so greedy that he didn t want to pay taxes but was so benevolent that he work for free on this campaign. i think those of us who have written about him for a while know that he was quite a freelancer. he was cutting deals. he viewed himself as an entrepreneur. a big question in terms of overall gist of manafort and his case will be to what degree he was doing anything, his motives and what he was up to had anything to do with the campaign at all. we ve seen from e-mails that have been released from his correspondence that they were trying to figure out how to get more money out of oleg. and obviously, paul manafort was allegedly interested in trying to use his position to get something out of a bank. the question of whether it has anything to do with it. when you say free lancer, another word that arises is hustler. the question is whether he was hustling in a way that might reflect on management. it would make they will look more like victims handle the co-conspirators. i m not sure that it is a question given his history. i think it is cut and dry without a court case. the question is, what was he trying to sell and how does any of this relate to the campaign. there s no reason it has to. a guy had $68 million can t go on trial in america for hiding $60 million. the $60 million, what will jurors take from this? it is very hard to wrap anyone s head around the idea that the most brilliant in the world could be worth that much. it is having seen some of the documents and the financial transcripts, i have a hard time imagining it myself. i would say they re very good at selling their open services. the money came in weird dribs and drabs and large lump sums. and as i said, the sort of, what work he did to he were it is almost extraneous. in fact it is extraneous to this trial. the important thing was whether or not he disclosed it without letting the government know that he had it. that s a felony. do you see anything that could happen that would make him flip? i think the question that you re asking would depend on him having something to flip about. i don t know that i view him as being a loyalist and that s an open question. people cut deal all the time just for leniency. most people never go to trial. for some reason, he won t do anything. i think when people cut those deals, and those deals are very good when you can get them. rick gates is presumably taking one against paul manafort right now. they cut deals because prosecutors have figured out that they have something they really want. and it is unclear whether the special counsel s office has a sense of whether manafort does have that sort of thing. it does seem like if there is not, if there is some bargaining to be done, that would be the time to do it. yeah. as it approaches. thank you very much. thank you. up next, we ve seen it happen. a politician takes a stand and then folds. what happens when a politician does that every single time he claims to take a stand? we have a knew word for it. stay with us. leagues, gathered here are the world s finest insurance experts. rodney mastermind of discounts like safe driver, paperless. the list goes on. how about a discount for long lists? gold. mara, you save our customers hundreds for switching almost effortlessly. it s a gift. and jamie. -present. -together we are unstoppable. so, what are we gonna do? insurance. that s kind of what we do here. moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis was intense. my mom s pain from i wondered if she could do the stuff she does for us which is kinda, a lot. and if that 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story, they go on all of them. it is called the full ginsburg named after monica lewinsky s lawyer. another is the bradley effect. the situation where voters tell pollsters they ll go one way, only because they don t want to admit their real choice and that s nailed after tom bradley who lost despite the big lead in the polls before hand. or supreme court fans know what it means to get bourqued and every one knows john hancock. jon stewart once tried to make the term mcconnelling catch on with mcconnell smiling into the yam a song. that was because the campaign put the video out there attempting to evade a campaign finance rule. it didn t exactly catch on. neither did fetch and that s why they say stop trying to make fetch happen. tonight maybe we can make rand pauling happen. it is definitely a political thing for the trump era. a time when many have rolled over or surrendered to trump actions they once claimed to oppose. the leaders on the religious right or paul ryan enrolling his speakership in something like a witness protection program. there are other republican who s make more of a show opposing trump. the question is whether that s posturing over actions. so consider how rand paul vowed to oppose mike pompeo for his nomination as secretary of state. rand paul said he would do whatever it takes to stop it. forget filibustering. rand paul voted for him. that s classic rand paul. or last summer, rand paul declared himself a no vote repeatedly. he put in it writing with much fanfath fanfair. when it came for the final vote, he voted yes. classic rand pauling. or take one bill that trump has actually signed. rand will stand and wave tax cuts, white house fearsest did not. so let s take all of that context together and take it to the bank for rand paul s latest withdrawal of political capital. he has been deliberating over trump s supreme court pick. one defection there could stop trump in his tracks and paul said i m very undecided. this is not a small deal for me. this is a big deal. i m sure you can feel suspense on this one. what will dough? will he use this moment to fwuk president or hold out to press the issues? you know, i ve seen more up predictable episodes of the road runner show. and today, rand paul announced he will vote yes to confirm judge kavanaugh. now that is a shocker. beep, beep. so whatever rand paul decides at the end of the show, we actually have a report on the factors that really can impact kavanaugh s chance to get on the supreme court. what we are saying is the story of our time. what s going on at the scenes behind the white house today? we couldn t do this without the best reporters. can you find out? this is a whole new level. we re going to try to give you the best review of this day in the life of this president. as we come on the air, we have breaking news from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? most pills don t finish the job because they don t relieve nasal congestion. flonase sensimist is 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house. and holding the lead from 7.3. that is a rough ballpark. it does not account for this unusual president or the actual democrats running for office who range from some familiar faces in leadership. some say too familiar, to some other new and young faces in other races. that includes a record number of women candidates running. mostly on the democratic side. then there are the issues people are running on. the clues from material races, like next week s special election in ohio features a gop candidate running away from trump s. at a cuts. and a democrat using the issue to happen order health care and the safety net. for congress, a choice. troy balderson is lucas for tax likes. deep cuts to social security and medicare. now he goes further saying i have no problem raising the retirement age. the dispatch endorses danny o connor. it is something people have earned by doing things right way and i will stand against any cuts to social security and medicare. so that s ohio. or look at north dakota. quite a conservative state. trump won there by 35 points. heidi height kamp is facing a challenge from a conservative congressman. then look at charles koch. he is putting muscle behind her as the democrat thinking senator heitkamp for voting against banking regulations they didn t like. and now the group says they won t help the republicans unseat her. it is something different. saying he is actually speaking out about all this beyond parties. quote, i don t care what initials are after her name. i would like there to be many more politicians who have the dournlg run on a platform like this. for more on exactly what this conservative funder is doing, we go to someone who has been covering this latest koch network summit. i am joined by political reporter with nbc news. so nice to have you tonight. great to see you. when you look at this unusual move, does it reflect heitkamp and certain democrats getting closer to the kochs? or them taking a step away from the republican party? i think it is the latter. them taking a step away from the trump republican party and that s because the kochs, which are libertarian in their back ground, they think that the trump republican party is moving away from them. and this i believe is then taking a stand saying, we do not want the republican party to move in to this other direction, this direction that doesn t support free trade. we re going to take a stand and if you republicans do not come on board and support the same things the kochs support, absolute free trade, reduced size of government, they oppose corporate welfare, if you don t get behind these things, we won t support you. and they stay heidi heitkamp s challenger, a current mental of congress who represents north dakota. they say, look, he has not stand his ground on all of these issues. they say on immigration, criminal justice reform, these other issues the kochs other agree on. so this is a warning shot to republicans. do not travel far off the reservation here. fairly or not, in large swaths of the democratic party, the koch name has become synonymous with right wing money and politics. are there really that many democratic candidates that even want this association, do you think? yeah, i think that the koch association is not going to be a winning issue for many of these democrats on the campaign trail. heidi heitkamp s campaign, they sent may response after the news about kevin kramer say. in the statement they sent, it didn t mention this at all. it didn t mention the koch pros. it said heidi heitkamp is here and she ll fight for north dakota and put them first. so that was an indication that she won t tout the nomination by the kochs. she will say, i won t do what the kochs say, doyle what you the voters say. what is her position in a trump state? she is doing pretty well. i think some of the things the koch network, they bhik her, the reason they thanked her, she rolled back some of these dodd frank banking regulations. she was a leader on that. she was a co-sponsor of the bill. and that s something that she s touted. she said that it supports community bankers. that s something that got the koches attention and that s what they thanked her for. donald trump likes heidi heitkamp, too. yes, vice president pence was out last week in support of kevin kramer but heidi heitkamp shows up at the white house in these photo ops with donald trump. but in the state, she is saying i m going to support the president when it is appropriate for north dakotans and i ll oppose them when it is appropriate. one of the big votes she has coming up is the supreme court nominee, kavanaugh. and she s going to get a lot of pressure from the right and probably including the kochs who announced today they will likely run advertisements in her state to pressure her to vote for cavanagh. the timing could be really, really important for democrats who are trying to maintain their seats in the states that trump won in 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that ice agents pressure parents to be deported with their children and then separated them when refused. after they were reunited, they were asked to sign a form with options, including the choice to be deported with their children or alone while their children stay in the u.s. to pursue asylum. the fathers say there was nothing like a real choice. someone checked the box that would send them and their kids back. one of the fathers saying when he refused to sign, the ice officers said to him words to the effect of, what do you think you are, a lawyer. the administration says there are about 1,000 families with these orders that they could face what many are calling this false choice that face those four fathers unless, unless the judge orders the government to wait this week before enforcing the deportation orders. and that important ruling on this important issue, it s expected any day now. i turn to the senior reporter at fox.com who has been reporting on all of this. it is a real mess. immigration asylum cases are messy to begin with. this is more complicated by the policy. when you look at what s being called this false choice, walk us through how this works and what victory would look like if the aclu could prevent it. when you mention those 1,000 parents who have already gotten orders of deportation, that means they have run out of options to pursue their own asylum. their claims have been rejected. they have been denied review. they are on the verge of being deported. their children, when they were separated from them, that legal case got broken out and children have a better chance of getting asylum. so by choosing to be deported with their child, the parent would be saying, i m going to withdraw my child s case, even if he could ultimately stay in the country so we could go back as a family. maybe the parent of a 16 or 17 year old doesn t want to do that. then maybe they would be willing to allow their child to stay in the u.s. and pursue an asylum claim. but as this testimony indicates, they may be not being allowed to do that and instead being forced to withdraw the claims of children who might be able to stay ultimately and get legal status. and what do they say to allies of the administration who argue in that case, which is really a small subset, in that case it would seem the parents are seeking to actually self-break up the family. that is something that the aclu, the government and the judge in this case and the separate case over family detention have said is a choice the parents should be allowed to make, that it is perfectly acceptable for a parent to say i would rather be deported without my child than force my child to go through this. it s not, you know the judge in this case has been very skeptical that any parent would willingly make that choice. he s told the government to back in the case of the parents that have officially waived any reunification rights to make sure that choice wasn t coerced. but we have seen over the weekend that sometimes the alternative might be true. and the no one in the government has maintained that the government should be making decisions about what happens to these families after reunification. the question theoretically ought to be who has options within due process and whether that outcome ultimately ends in their deportation. this is the first indication we have that the government is trying to curtail the process for people who are still going through it. right. as your reporting reflects, there is an individualized assessment when the system works it is supposed to be provided to individuals because each family and the threats they facebook home in the asylum context will inform what they do on an individualized basis. thank you for your reporting. thank you. up next, what has made liberals across the country rejoice new this weekend. we ll be right back. edge of the box, willingham shoots. goooooooaaaaaaaallllllll! that.was.magic. willingham tucks it in and puts 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A look at the day s top news and headlines. that he was copied on, blank copied on that he had during his time at the bush administration and the senators on the republican side saying, he you have already said that you are going to void against them, so why do we have to go through this? i think that they are going to run into a brick wall as far as logistics of getting those requests answered, mitch mcconnell has said that this is going to go forward october 1st. chuck grassley has said that you re going to see 1 million plus documents. not only all of the writings that deal with the 300 plus different decisions that were made, so there is plenty of reams of information to look at how this judge could potentially be a justice, and i do not think that the democratic efforts will go far. dana: all right, bret baier, thank you so much. we will see you, dana. dana: fox news alert, facebook says it has suspended 32 swiss suspicious pages, dana: what is the reaction on capitol hill? the news broke an hour ago. you are absolutely right, lawmakers are quick to say that they think it is russia, that russia once a week america coming out of the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee mark warner of virginia saying today s disclosure is further evidence of the kremlin continues to exploit platforms like facebook to sew division and spread disinformation. i am glad that facebook is taking some steps to pinpoint and address the activity. ben sasse saying russia and china understand that successful operations do not create new problems, but exploit existing fissures, that s why moscow is working to divide americans by stoking both sides of nearly every culture war, the message here is washington and silicon valley must do better. midterm elections just 14 weeks away. dana. dana: no more than in 2016, mike emanuel, thank you. let me be clear, our intelligence community has it right, it was the russians, we know that, they know that. dana: kirstjen nielsen this morning on who is behind efforts to meddle in the last election and in just a few minutes, i will ask the secretary whether she thinks russia is behind the latest influence campaign. i will also ask her about the ongoing things at the border including hundreds of migrant children not reunited with their parents. keep it here. much more to come. sometimes, bipolar i disorder due to increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, which may mean a life-threatening reaction, or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be permanent. side effects may not appear for several weeks. high cholesterol and weight gain; high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death; decreased white blood cells, which can be fatal; dizziness upon standing; falls; seizures; impaired judgment; heat sensitivity; and trouble swallowing may occur. you re more than just your bipolar i. ask about vraylar. .to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don t. i ll take that. 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i don t, but i have not seen the intel assessment yet. today we have been celebrating our cyber summit, as you know, talking about different ways to begin ways with the private sector, i will be interested to see how the intel assessment assesses the newest and latest development. dana: tell me about your particular responsibility at dhs in terms of preserving the election security and threats against it? we protect political infrastructure, and the ability to protect the infrastructure, and we have made great strides in the last year. so i think 2016 was a wake-up call for all of us. happy to report that all 50 states are working with us now. so we do everything from sharing information, vulnerability assessments to look at redundancy and demonstrating to the voters that their vote counted. dana: i understand that congress allocated $308 million, dhs gets to decide where they are getting that money. do you think the states are spending that wisely to protect their machines in their systems? is there enough money? do we need anymore? are they doing the right things to protect against the attacking? as we saw last year, devcon, they can find a way to get in there and the states have all of the response about it, it is not just your responsibility. they have the formal responsibility, we tried to support and channel our services. it is a step in the right direction, as you said, $380 million that will be used from the election assistance commission, the way in which the states are determining how to use them as an conduction with the governance model, they have to think short-term and long-term, long-term supply chain and short term how can they have their statistics figured correctly, do task management, information sharing on the basics that they need to do. dana: showing that 62 percent in america think that the trump administration should be doing more to protect the nation from election meddling, how can you convince them that you are doing enough? this is part of your question earlier, there are different things happening here, one is an attack against election infrastructure, working hand in glove with state locals, the physical infrastructure of the system, the other is encountering for influence, and we have to do more there. americans need to be aware that it is a real threat, happening real time, the fbi has the lead, a task force that supports them, and we work with the private sector such as facebook, companies like facebook to pull the content. dana: reporting that the russians are trying to figure out how to hack into the election grade, that would be an act of war, what are we doing, part of your summit this morning, i saw a lot of the power companies are there, there has to be a lot of coordination hopefully going on there. yes, absolutely, that particular sector have been great partners for quite some time, we are trying to move towards a model collective defense. so the adversaries are truly crowd sourcing, using computers and bots, using our guns are governments our military, we have to do the same thing, bring everything on the government side and the private sector side. so if the electorate sector and the department of energy working closely to understand how the electricity is generated, how it is distributed, where the vulnerabilities are, but yes, the russians continue to probe and try to get access to the system. dana: let me switch gears on immigration, as i understand there are 711 children who are considered ineligible to be reunited with her parents. how do you plan to get them eligible or is it possible that some of them might never see their parents again? so there is a lot to that number, first and foremost, we want to protect the children. so the reason that the numbers remaining as either because we had no way to prove that the adult that they arrived with it as a parent or guardian, we continue to work with others to get information to understand if they are, but also some of these adults unfortunately our hard earned criminals, we are not going to place children at the hands of those who have already been convicted in some cases of kidnapping, child abuse, and smuggling and trafficking. dana: so they don t have a legal status, do they become less and dreamers? we have 10,000 children at the care of hhs who came here unaccompanied, parents separated before they got to the border and send them with the hands of smugglers, criminals, frankly. and in some cases other adults, they will be part of unaccompanied children partner, working to find a sponsor, sometimes it can be another family member, or somebody that the family back home in their originated country designates. they will work to find them a home. dana: the stories are hard to read, write, especially for children who are apparently not the same as they were before the separation, with the aclu really pushing, and the federal government working closely with the judge to get this done, do you wish that there had been a better system in place in order to identify where the parents were going, where the children were going so that this would not be so arduous? what i really wish is that it should not be so broken, children should be with her parents, we should protect our borders and our communities, keeping smugglers and traffickers out, we cannot do that with a given law. i really wish that congress dana: i agree, but the system that was put in place after they all came, that was our fault. we knew where the kids were in the parents were, but we tried to continue to pave it based each lowest comply with court ruling, but we had the plan in place, and the courts change the way where we wanted to do it, where he reunited all eligible families, but we continue to reunite all children with her family. dana: kirstjen nielsen, thank you for being here. we will check back in as the news breaks on the election. a key special election in the swing state of ohio, the outcome for that all-important midterm, next week. and also up next, plus we are waiting for a news conference on missing iowa college student mollie tibbetts. wbr id= wbr12680 /> scene two weeks ago, we will see if they are any closer on what happened to her. polident is specifically designed to clean a denture. the wonderful thing about polident is the fact that it s very, very tough on bacteria, yet it s very gentle on the denture itself. polident s 4 in 1 cleaning system consists of 4 powerful ingredients that work together to deep clean your denture in hard to reach places. it kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and it helps to remove stains. polident should be the first choice of every person that wears a denture, to clean their denture. 4 out of 5 people who have a stroke, their first symptom. of every person that wears a denture, is a stroke. 80 percent of all strokes and heart disease? 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that is the case, it is going to be tight, no doubt about it, but this time special elections are special for a reason, liberal donors from california, new york are flooding the district with ads and money to try to prop up democrat danny o connor s failing campaign, and just last week danny o connor after running ads disavowing nancy pelosi, finally admitted what we already knew that he would not vote for her first wbr-id= wbr15360 /> speaker if given the opportunity. on the other hand just endorsed by john kasich in a new ad out today, so we feel that momentum is trending troy s way. dana: i have to say that they must be doing something right if the race is this close? hi, dana, thank you for having me. you are right, this is a deep red republican district that democrats have not held since 1980. the fact that my counterpart is pouring millions and millions of dollars along with the with the republican counterparts or tried to drag troy balderston across the finish line is a really ominous sign for the election next week as well as their prospects in november. dana: let me ask you something then, depending on how it goes for you, whoever wins next tuesday, if it is this close, will be the committee try to help in november either way? we will stand behind troy in november, we are confident that he will be an incumbent number on congress, but as we see with georgia, arizona, they are special because they are fighting over turf and democrats like meredith s group and others have poured a lot more money in trying to win the seat, but they become less competitive in november. dana: meredith, just a fact that you want to spend money, does that mean that you want to win? of course we want to win, we would not invest a dime if we do not think that danny o connor was within striking distance of winning this very republican seat. and i have to disagree with matt, they are spending, and rcc is spending significantly more money, hitting the panic button in this final week of television ads, and that s because they know if they lose their special election the november battlefield is much more competitive for democrats. if they have to spend at this rate to hold onto ohio 12, they are in big trouble in november, they will have a real loss of momentum if any exist anymore. dana: yesterday, over at mark keita stated a study of medicare for all, oh what it would cost, $32 trillion, with a t, do you find that not in this race in ohio, but is this issue of medicare for all an issue that republicans can use in their elections? and i will ask merritt at the same question, go ahead. without a doubt, it has become orthodox, party members, candidates, nancy pelosi supporting single-payer health care, $32 trillion in taxes, expect to see that and a lot of assets, but that is not the only thing that they will do. the pace of medicare s insolvency, ending part d in the va as we know it, and giving the government complete control of your doctor, prescriptions, and hospitals, that is unacceptable, that is a fight we are ready to have in the fall. dana: one of the things that they have done such a good job on is figuring out recruitment for specific districts, a democrat that is here, and other progressive over there, but if the party is going for a medicare for all platform, does that erase some of those gains for moderate democrats? let s talk about health care, we will welcome a fight related to which is ready for health care and which will increase costs and premiums in increasing costs of prescription drugs like asthma, cancer, diabetes, that is a republican party that continues to raise those costs. dana: but the headlines, if you are talking medicare for all, is that a good thing? having a robust discussion on lowering the cost of health care and prescription drugs, and republicans are doing the opposite. and i have to say quickly about medicare, let s talk about medicare for a second, the republicans are, they gave a massive corporate giveaway that increase the dead and they want to pay for it by cutting medicare and social security. in ohio 12 on top of that, troy balderston wants to raise the retirement age. that is something that danny o connor is taking head-on and promising voters in ohio that he will protect their medicare and social security that they have paid into for their whole lives. dana: let me give you the last word there. she wants to talk about increasing costs, $32 trillion in new taxes, that is increasing costs. dana: that is the final last word. you are a man of few words today, right on time. meredith kelly and matt gorman, love to have you on. thanks, dana. dana: authority is updating us on the case of missing college student mollie tibbetts. moments from now. we will have that for you as soon as this starts. we will keep an eye on it. and the jury selected him case of paul manafort, prosecutor will be here to break down the risks for president trump trump and robert mueller. and robert mueller. the potential of t once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? 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we may not ever, it depends on how much gets exposed publicly, there is a phenomenon of celebrity jurors that most judges do not like, so we will not hear a whole lot of bits and pieces of what their careers may be or how old they are. dana: the witnesses are not allowed to say words like collusion, 2016, trump campaign, president trump, because i guess they want to have the integrity of this trial, separate from that? it is interesting, all of the political focus on this case and paul manafort and pardons and what will happen, but the trial itself is going to be much drier and much more apolitical than you might imagine. dana: i will keep you here, this press conference, and the disappearance of iowa college student mollie tibbetts. mollie tibbetts of brooklyn, i well was reported missing by her family. last seen on july 18th at approximately 7:30 p.m. while running the city streets of brooklyn. her last known articles of clothing are dark-colored running shorts, a pink sports top and running shoes, the color unknown. since july 19th, law enforcement have searched tirelessly for mollie. on any given day, 30 or 40 investigators are working on this case, and 200 leads have been followed up on, searches have included the utilization of canines, and investigators work in this case aggressively, seeking the public support by contacting the established tape lines that they have information related to mollie s disappearance. in the tip lines is the quickest way to get information to us, to use the following tip line, the tip line for the investigation, that is now 800-452-1111. or 515-2 to 3-1 for zero. there is also a dedicated email to accept tips, that. crime stoppers and iowa giving a $1,000 award for the discovery of mollie tibbetts. the electric cooperative agreed to match that reward for $2,000. and i would like to think the media for helping us get the word out and helping us find mollie tibbetts. thank you. at this time i asked the special agent in charge. i want to spend a couple of minutes and say that i am very proud of all of my law-enforcement brothers and sisters of how we have come together, everything from skills to technical skills, and some people that have never met each other, and they are working together like they have been twenty-year partners to handle this. the amount of resources that were spending today and we will in the future, i am very, very proud of everybody coming together to work this way. and that s what i have to say. thank you. i have another statement i would like to read, but i would echo what randy said, we view the media as a partner, we appreciate everything that you are doing, every evening when i go home i see her face on the news. it is very much appreciated. i know that the family appreciates that as well. so i m just going to proceed on with a little statement here. law enforcement officials and hundreds of others have devoted countless hours to the investigation. in the county investigation, since requested by the sheriff s office, dedicated every available deputy to do the searches. since requested, the dci has dedicated many agents and analysts from across the state to help with all aspects of the investigation. the fbi has also committed many agents from a number of their field offices to assist with this investigation and continue to do so. more than a dozen local agencies have also volunteered their time and talent to assist with this investigation. which includes fire and ems responders as well as members of the community. i will say that the investigators are not wanting for food or drink, there has been a constant outpouring by the community to make sure that our investigators are well fed and well hydrated, which allows them to focus their priority, which is defined mollie. as leads continue to come in, they are evaluated, prioritized, and followed up on. missing person cases, some of the most difficult and demanding investigations. we have appreciated the assistance from local state and federal agencies along with the assistance from the public that is provided every resource they can. to date we have provided every investigative tactic, and we understand that people want to know details about the investigation, however we do not plan to provide findings or conclusions of investigative leads to the public at this time. likewise, if we evaluate a piece of information and feel its release could lead us to mollie, we would do so. what we do know is that mollie tibbetts was seen jogging on the evening. dana: they are giving that much detail, but talking about how you can send in tips if you know anything. and here s more from chicago. you said following the case, what did you think about the press conference? not a lot of detail yet. no, not at all. and saying that they will not provide any leads to the public, a highly anticipated press conference where we thought some of the obvious questions that remain in this case might be answered. since mollie tibbetts went missing on july 18th, there are been extensive searches in cornfields, in homes, informs, they have not produced this missing young woman. investigators have told us so far that they do not want to provide any information to the public, because they feel it might jeopardize their investigation. they might give information to someone that should not have it. there are some obvious questions remaining in this case including whether or not mollie had a cell phone on her at the time or the day that she disappeared. and investigators have extracted any information. also mollie tibbetts described as an avid runner, and loved her fitbit, was she wearing it at a time that she disappeared? have police extracted information from the fitbit? that could provide crucial information including the gps location in the heart rate at the time she disappeared. the boyfriend s house, did she make it back at the day she disappeared? are there signs of forced entry at that house or signs of struggle? investigators tell fox news they will not release that information to the public. mollie s laptop, a male member of mollie s family told the new station that her laptop indicated that she was doing homework inside the boyfriend s home the night that she went missing. did she end up back inside at that house? or was she abducted out on the streets? that is one of the biggest questions remaining now. dana: thank you for that, asking james to stick around, doj prosecutor, what did you think of the press conference? was there some psychology behind it? two things, one to reassure the general public that if there is a murderer out there that they are doing everything possible to track this person down. that is a genuine and important component. but also probably trying to steer people towards talking. so you want to have individuals that are sitting on information feel like it is almost inevitable that they will be talk to. so why not be fourth closing and waiting for the agents to knock on your door and just called her to plan. looking for a tip for someone who could ve been involved in the disappearance. dana: they believe that the media is a partner, is that how you would see it too? a little bit, it is not a partnership in terms of disclosing much to the media. their reasons for that, but i think that they want to get the word out and they want to have everyone rethink where were they during july 18, what you might fit into the timeline or the chronology of where the young lady was? dana: you said that you were impressed with her father, why so? her father was on the media the other day, i cannot imagine the feeling that he is going through. i have three daughters and one name mollie, so i get it. it is an indiscreet indescribable feeling, and how s not have details from law enforcement, when you know that that family is craving it, he is respectful of the process but he knows the importance to keeping information under a tight law compared to that is better in the long run for any investigation. it makes him suffer, but he suffers with dignity i thought. dana: that disappearance was a light 18th, and it is now july 31st, does that tell you anything? i think that there is not a whole lot of frantic talk that makes me think that this is a hostage situation, so i think that it is a wrongful death investigation, whatever that means in terms of what happened to her. but the time is not really on the side of an investigator, generally. want to have as much information early as you can. dana: it s good to have you here, former doj prosecutor. thank you. sure. dana: anything you have or need flood insurance, and important dates for home owners, because we have an update from capitol hill. you are going to want to stick around and listen to. the idea of comprehensive reform is great, but at the same time we need stability. we need something that is longer than two or three months at a time. if it was to expire it would be bone deep down to the narrow stoop. call one today. are you in good hands? 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where is the rub? 50 years ago when it was established it was hard to model floods, and the government stepped in like it did in terrorism with risk insurance, but now we have new programs, the private market is ready to embrace the flood insurance area much more today than it was. but we still have a government-sponsored program in which congress is determining the rates that can be charged. in insurance, you have to be sound coming have to charge a rate that associates with the risk, that is not being done because of the political nature. dana: they are flooding in the u.s., you said that there was a 100 year flood every other day in the united states. this is a huge problem. they are about 5 million policies in force nationwide, half of them are in florida, louisiana, texas. is that enough? or do you see some places like maryland that had that terrible catastrophe with the flooding. 5 million is a big number, but it is 12% of the people that need flood insurance actually have it. and what you see is a government-sponsored program, so if you can think of it more realistically, i was watching on the break, you have insurance commercials, i say that you cannot watch 30 minutes of television without three. dana: and for that we thank you. you get a market flood insurance the same way you can market auto insurance. think about the take up, because 93% of people who need homeowners insurance have it. i mean, on the same and that is for a fire, wind, things like that. well, flood creates more catastrophes catastrophes than any other in the world. dana: it is a big problem, i m glad that you were here. thank you. a chipotle restaurant closes after more than 100 customers fall sick. health officials are saying nex next. and crews working nonstop for days battling an explosive wildfire in northern california. no let up inside. jeff paul will report live from the fire zone, but he gives us a sense of the destruction, jeff. until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia. .to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don t. i ll take that. 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A news show featuring the top headlines of the day from pop culture to politics, which are discussed by a rotating panel of four women and one man. harris: i hear you saying david: it sounds like the m.o. it sounds like their m.o. but the fact is that for decades and, of course, we got to realize vladimir putin is part of the old soviet union. k.g.b. guy at heart. they have been trying to sow dissent in the united states since stalin was in power and even before that. they continue to do that. it s just the method of delivery has changed. that is what they re focusing on now. there hasn t been enough done in the past. probably isn t enough done now. i don t think it is ever going to stop. harris: senator lindsey graham says he is working to introduce a russia, quote/unquote, sanctions bill from hell. go for it. trump has been tough on russia, as we should. so i have no problem to continue sanctions on russia. of course we have to take the cyber security issues seriously. we should make sure that the united states institutions are protected from the foreign interference. whatever it is. but i think that this intense focus on the social media is overblown. if you look at the impressions from facebook alone, 56% of them happened after the election, the majority of the ads didn t mention the united states election. you look at even $2,000 spent in wisconsin. it s a complete joke. i mentioned this before but jeb bush spent $3,000 per voter in the state of iowa alone in the republican primary. i think facebook has a vested interested in trying to get out in front of this in any way they can. because they have taken a huge financial hit recently. melissa: they do have an incentive and i m not confident they are doing everything they could and should. i deleted my account before i came out on the air today. if it s still there david: was it tough to do it? it used to be hard. melissa: i hope i did it properly. i went through the steps. i didn t deactivate. i attempted to completely delete it. i think it s nefarious. when you read down in here, trying to incite violence. this is really serious. this is really bad for our democracy. it s really bad for our families, our lives. i deleted my account. that s that. i m out of facebook. harris: with you and david on the couch, i want to ask about because you say you don t know if facebook going to get it right. why can t they get it right? or is it on them or bad actors. david: like trying to delete anything on the internet. harris: but i mean the process. this is a further journey for them now. melissa: it s not necessarily always in their economic interest to do everything that they would need to do. i mean there are some things, yes, they want to restore faith so people like i just did, don t delete their account. so that makes sense. at the same time, it s what drives the revenue. having more people there and more interaction. selling ads. that drives the revenue. they have a mixed incentive here. marie: like playing whack-a-mole. 300 more pop-up. the internet research behind some of those they deleted, a russian internet meddling firm basically. they are very good at this and they have people who can do it in their sleet. they delete some and hundreds more pop-up. it s like whack-a-mole literally. i think facebook is going through an internal crisis how to handle the issue. they are committed to free speech and people using the platform in ways. harris: twitter and others i m coming at this this is a tough problem. harris: with a question mark. twitter and others have challenges the same way i imagine. marie: absolutely. harris: look at what twitter did a couple of weeks ago. they went on the egg head alert. look at accounts that were not real or bots or whatever and scrubbing them. people were complaining they were using followers but they weren t real anyway. david: let s focus on the editorial here. what it was that russia was trying to do. the groups it was trying to get harris: and the events organized. david: to get under the sphere of influence. it turns out that the call for end of i.c.e. was a part very much interested the russians or whoever is behind this thing. they were involved with a group called stop ripping families apart. take over i.c.e. headquarters. they tried to arrange a rally in front of the department of homeland security and total of 131 people marked themselves as having attended the june 27 rally outside of i.c.e. headquarters. so it s very interesting. the soviet union, whether on the right or the left, they are always trying to find useful idiots in the west that is the term that lenin used here to carry over on their cause. lisa: you have 2 billion facebook users each month. harris: they did. i don t know if they are picking up like that. they are losing followers. lisa: you can find anybody doing anything with that many people worldwide using facebook. they haven t been able to tie some of the accounts to russia either. marie: but many have. lisa: there are people harris: there are people want to influence the democratic process. don t miss what david pointed to. they are dividing us along the culture and racial lines because they know we will fight in the streets before we ever love on each other enough to know the enemy is outside. david: they get more violence. marie: harris is right. may are trying to get more violent. this is bad for the democracy. facebook really has to take a look at what their business to be used for. harris: we have to look at what we want to be like as a country. david: bottom line is folks, i m afraid to say, you cannot outlaw useful idiots. they were here in the early part of the 20th century and they will be here in the latter part of the 20th century. melissa: delete your facebook account. i m out. harris: we said the same thing. time for self-reflection, america. harris: get along. lisa: be nicer to people. harris: it would be harder to divide us. another fox news alert now. melissa: chuck schumer, fellow democrats and the political activists holding a rally to call to block the nomination of president trump s supreme court pick brett kavanaugh. yesterday, senator chalmer repeated demands for release of all documents related to kavanaugh s time working in the bush white house. that request would reportedly surpass 1 million documents. watch. the senate must have the records spanning judge kavanaugh s career as a public servant. what are they hiding? why is there such an effort not to have the documents come forward when that has been the bipartisan precedent of this body harris: precedent of this body? melissa: despite the pressure, joe manchin met with kavanaugh and donnelly is planning to meet as well. majority whip john cornyn says senator schumer is trying to delay. watch. now we are engaged in what i call the great paper chase. this leaves me with the inescapable conclusion this is all about foot-dragging and delay. they know that they can t attack him based on qualifications, based on his character. and now it s all about paper and delay and obstruction. melissa: interesting stuff. do you think this is the best move for democrats? marie: i m sort of in the middle here. i do think the senate has a right to advise and consent on the supreme court nominees and any paper throughout in the history directly relevant to how he would do his job is something the senate should have. i think it s a fair ask to make. whether the documents are part of when he worked at the white house or not, i don t know. some might not be relevant. i argued, the democrats, sorry to say, we ll lose the fight and he will probably be confirmed. if that is the case i don t think that the democratic party should draw it out closer to the midterms because all it does is fire up the republicans. if we are going to lose anyway, let s lose quickly and move to the issues we want to talk about on the campaign trail. i don t know if the democrats in the senate are listening to me on this but that s where my analysis is. lisa: i agree with you. marie: fox news alert! lisa: we re having a moment on the couch. marie harf and i agree. we re in uniform, my friend. david: pull back. marie: we can go home. david: he is nowhere near as conservative as antonin scalia was. antonin scalia was the most conservative justice in my lifetime to be on the court. you know what he was confirmed by? 98-0 by the u.s. senate. 98-0. much more conservative than brett kavanaugh. what are the democrats complaining about? harris: a different political climate. disagreeing with the opposite side of the aisle didn t mean you had to hate them. there is mean-spiritedness on capitol hill. not everybody but enough of that disease thinking that it gets everybody saying no, i ll retreat to my corner. what marie said is interesting because not only does the fight hurt the democrats as it gets closer to the midterm, it hurts everybody. people will just decide not to vote. to me that is the greatest crime and the greatest heartbreak in all of this. no matter whom you vote for. there are people who gave it all so we could go to the polls. suffrage, gave life. get to the polls and believe your vote counts. when you see both sides like this, it s over an issue that is settled. david: it used to be about the qualifications, whether somebody was qualified or not. not on the basis if they were on the left or the right. it was based on the qualifications and it s no longer based on the qualifications. it s based on the abstract ideologies. harris: look at the capitol hill rally going on now? we should tell everybody. melissa: we said in the beginning that this is the rally going on. and why we are doing the segment. they are right there talking about brett kavanaugh and not wanting to have him confirmed. i think merrick garland would think they should wait for a while. lisa: the white house released more documents from kavanaugh s executive branch experience than any other supreme court nominee before. they have been transparent to put the documents out. obviously schumer, his interest is doing whatever he can to throw it out there and slow the process. i agree with marie. we had a moment. harris: it was lovely. these are the individuals that voted for gorsuch. and rand paul is on board. this is happening. marie: i don t like it s happening. lisa: but it s happening. melissa: it s interesting and sad it s completely political. like you said, merrick garland. and before that, it has now come dun to are you going to support my position or not as a supreme court justice? that is not what the supreme court was supposed to be. they resisted it. david: democrats in red states have to bend to the reality harris: joe manchin met with him yesterday. david: as well. heidi heitkamp, et cetera. there will be a handful of democrats. but now that you have rand paul there is virtually no opposition. we don t know about mccain but there is no opposition among republicans. melissa: president trump calling on congress to fund the border wall or face a government shutdown. is the president going a good job of banging the drum on an issue important to his base? 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harris: marie, i want to go to you. before we talked about the previous issues and you said it doesn t behoove us to argue about these things. let s just get through it. do you feel the same way about the shutdown? marie: i think there are a lot of republicans in congress who do not want to shut the government down. five weeks before a midterm. particularly in the house over funding for a border wall that as their constituents reminds them mexico would pay for, not the u.s. taxpayers. i think he will hear from the republicans in congress politically who say wait a second. there is no way we are going to get all of what you want. and shutting it down will hurt the party chances in the midterm. i don t know if trump actually wants to shut it down. melissa: i think he does. marie: or it s negotiating tactic. melissa: if you talk about who is going to pay for it, remember the tariff. this is how all of this ties together. the tariffs are revenue coming in and it then goes for the wall. money is spongeable, all going in the game bank. marie: that is not what he said. he said mexico would pay for it. melissa: there are different ways to account for it. but he tried with the yummy, yummy carrots and said here is daca. do you want the yummy carrots? they said no. now he has a big harris: what is the other hand? melissa: swamp. swamp carrots. swamp said no. so he pulled out a giant stick and said now i ll smack you with this. you are right. it s the republicans and the democrats. both sides. everybody who is swamptastic. melissa: a curious point. harris: you are using that carrot and the stick analogy, whether or not the president becoming tough is enough to answer back to the swamp. i mean, look, you have both chambers with republicans saying no shut down before midterm. lisa: i think president trump is doing this because the democrats are in the minority and charged up for the midterm elections and trump knows immigration is a huge base issue. what president trump is trying to do is get the republican base up charged up and ready to vote in the mid-term elections. think he knows republicans and the democrats will ultimately come together on a spending bill. this actually pushes the democrats to want to work with the republicans more, get something done. i don t think he would veto whatever they come up with. so he sort of gets his cake and eats it too that he charges up the republican base. ultimately they come together at the spending bill and get it done before the midterm election. i think it s a win-win. harris: what i love about what you are saying, lisa lisa: thank you. harris: the democrats are struggling to figure out who the base is. your party is splitting. it s advantageous for the republican for the president to handle it this way. interesting perspective to bring forth. marie: the polling on the midterm shows voters particularly independents, think washington can t work. harris: yeah. marie: republicans are in charge of both houses and the white house. to an independent voter who says they can t even keep the government open, i can t go to the national park? that is what they see. david: something that has to change is a broken immigration system. we are letting the wrong people in. too many illegals come in that don t assimilate well in the future and too few good legals who do it the legal way to come in. we have to make it easier for qualified immigrants who want to work and assimilate in the country to come in. harris: the word assimilate i have to let marie come back on. marie: good immigrants and assimilate david: that means being willing to work instead of taking welfare. it means specific things. i know a lot of immigrants. i know a lot of good immigrants who have been trying to come in for years, decades to get in the country who can t because the immigration system is broken. meanwhile, millions of the illegals are not good for the economy come in. marie: but some of the words used not by you but other people to in very not good terms, in terms of the history of immigration in this country and david: racism? marie: absolutely! david: that is b.s. marie: let me finish, please. you talked for two minutes. harris: let her talk. david: i don t want to allow anybody to suggest that the words i marie: i just said you didn t. i said that is not what you said. i said people use those terms in the immigration debate in ways that i find deeply offensive. david: there are crazy people and bad people everywhere. marie: some of them are running the immigration policy now. lisa: that is unfair. david: miller it nes to be fixed. marie: when you talk about good immigrants. david: people who are willing to work and assimilate to what this country is. it s that simple. marie: they give up their entire culture? david: no. assimilate so that we don t have the kind of situation they have in europe where people stay completely isolated in their own communities and don t assimilate in the culture. it s simple. marie: the language is charge and we need to be careful. harris: thank you for the team in the booth to let it breathe. i wanted to hear that. it s important to get there. meanwhile, the president is touting his popularity among republicans in tampa. it happened last night. whoo, it was fiery! the president plans to wade in a hotly contested special election. the high stakes for republicans in a race that could tell us a lot about the upcoming elections in november. stay close. don t you move. president trump: they just came out with the polls. did you hear? the most popular person in the history of the republican party is from is trump. can you believe this? feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin and relief from symptoms caused by over 200 allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear. it s so hard to believe but it s all coming back me. baby, baby, baby. all you can eat is back, baby. applebee s. tap one little bumper and up go your rates. what good is your insurance if you get punished for using it? 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[applause] but to keep it going we need to elect more republicans. we need more votes. and we need to elect ron desantis as your governor. [applause] melissa: i love when he speaks of himself in the third person. rallying the g.o.p. base in tampa touting his popularity among the republican faithful as he stumps for congressman ron desantis running for governor of florida. trump s power to boost g.o.p. candidates becoming evident and now he plans to jump into ohio special election amid g.o.p. concerns of a tightening race in a reliably republican house district. the president will travel there saturday to trump for balderson who is battling o connor. a loss next tuesday could raise fears among the g.o.p. of democratic blue wave in november. david? david: in florida, nobody would agree with the president more than ron desantis who is doing everything he practically has trump tattooed on his forehead. ron desantis believes marie: it s on the shoulder. david: maybe. close to the forehead. he believes aligning himself with the president is the right strategy. not only for him. there is a very close senate race rick scott, the former governor of florida, is going against a try and true democrat who has been there for a whale. bill nelson did have the lead. now rick scott has the lead. apparently allying yourself with the president as the president himself said is not a bad strategy. marie knows more about ohio. but florida, boy, it s not doing anybody any harm to ally themselves with the president. harris: i have two things to say quickly about florida. rick scott, you know, led the state at times like the pulse nightclub shooting. he has been there and had leadership through the moments. parkland. harris: sides on both political aisle sides say that he did a good job in those terms. so he has got his own to bring to the table. david: he does. and economically he helped the state. they have 300,000 new entries every year because people are flocking to the florida. harris: quickly, putnam in the race against desantis is someone we we had the strategist on and it plays differently. marie: this is my home district. i grew up here for decades and it s a republican district. pat teaberry s old district. they sent trump and pence, the republicans are pouring in national money. this race for the republicans should not be that close. early ballots look good for the democrats. the polls of the likely voters have a democrat even or up. lisa, we talked about it earlier, this isn t a swing district. this is not one that democrats thought they could pick up. the fact it s so close should be a warning sign to some republicans. danny o connor, i would point out, the democrat has pledged not to support nancy pelosi. he is one of the democrats in the midwest that said i m not supporting pelosi. lisa: messed up in an interview recently where he was pressed on the issue and he eventually said he would vote for whoever the democrats put up, even if it s nancy pelosi. marie: nancy or a republican. lisa: that is a big slip. the republicans have been trying to tie him to nancy pelosi so that will be used against him. but she is right. i m nervous at looking at some of the special elections, the p.a. special election with connor lamb or arizona eight where debbie lesco. david: are you having another moment? this is the time you had a moment. lisa: i m worried. the republicans have seen so many members leaving the open seats that are more difficult to win. i worry if the republican base is charged up or not which is back to my point regarding the immigration. it s part of president trump figuring out ways to get them excited. melissa: this is also why we see president trump out there and working so hard. i heard a poor misinformed person sitting around another network, i won t mention, saying what the president likes to do is campaign for the job but he doesn t like to actually do it. david: not true. he loves it. melissa: that s why we see him out there campaigning. that s the fun. campaigning is hard and painful. he is doing it for someone else to help him have the numbers that he really needs. but this is something that is the responsibility of the person who is at the head of the party. lisa, tell me how important that is for the candidates. lisa: republicans have to do everything they can. they will have to work so much harder than democrats to turn out the base for the midterm elections. we have history against us. dems are in the minority so they are charged up. the president and the republicans will have to do everything they can to get folks to show up at the hold. david: does the g.o.p. hold the house? lisa: i don t know if we will lose the house but it s tough. melissa: we are awaiting the white house press briefing where we could hear more on the news that the president is considering raising a proposed new tariff on $200 billion on the chinese goods from 10% to 25%. we will bring it to you live. democrats in search of someone who can beat the president in the 2020. the advice from the bernie sanders former campaign manager and he says look to your left. whether that is the way to go, we will debate. let s take a look at some numbers: and cardiovascular disease. and by getting them through this package, you re saving over 50%. so call today and consider these numbers: for just $149 you ll receive five screenings that could reveal what your body isn t telling you. i m gonna tell you that was the best $150 i ever spent in my life. life line screening. the power of prevention. call now tow to learn more. abysmal administration, we need to nominate progressive. the party needs to move in a bolder and more progressive direction. marie: i think i still have a 2016 hangover with the bernie sanders team and it s hard to listen to jeff weaver give my party advice on anything but i ll set it aside. i think what he says is interesting. what do you think? melissa: he might be right in the sense that you look at the candidates that are picking up momentum. i m jealous. martha maccallum tonight on the story i saw an ad for it, so i hope i m right sarah smith. she in the ninth district in washington state and somebody who is in the mold of ocasio-cortez in new york. young, millennial, dynamic. somebody who came up in the shadow of bernie sanders and backed by the same national organization that gave money here in new york. i just, i really think that going broad in anything whether it s television or politics, doesn t work anymore. it s about being targeted, being specific. really firing up the people who believe in that. and that we are such a bifurcated society, set of viewers, whatever it is, you have to pick a lane and drive hard in it. i think they would be successful but you could have somebody who is moderate, who had an issue and was really dynamic. you know, it s just about you have to be on fire. lisa: i was going to tell marie to get a breakfast sands witch and a coffee for the hangover. marie: i need it! david: after a year and a half. lisa: you could see a socialist emerge in 2020. i think what we will see from democrats democrats marie: not for president. lisa: for the democratic primary. i think you have so many candidates running in 2020. one thing that democrats lost and we have seen in this election cycle they are not as good at maintaining the primaries. we have seen a more progressive candidate enter the primaries. they used to be good to clear them out and now they are not as good. you could see democrats running. if you have people like corey gardner, kamala harris and what s her name from new york. kirsten gillibrand. who all represent this camp. marie: elizabeth warren. lisa: you could have somebody come up like you saw with trump outside the main stream and is unique. david: economics matter. harris: we are being shouted out on twitter. i said, there is a clip already, i said can democrats really fire up a base coming out of who is the base? and people are pointing out well, they had record numbers in certain areas. but it s not, as lisa is saying, it s not widespread. marie: there is a huge part of the democratic party is moderate. running in the midwest, running in the south and the plain states. my party will have a fight in 2020 for who we want to put forward. harris: that s what i said! david: you go back and read some of what bill clinton was saying the last time he was running. a couple of years after that. talking about how the year of big government is over and everything. you put together also, you add that the history of the democrat, the moderate wing together with what the socialists are talking about. frankly the old democrats are more similar to republicans than the new democrats are to the old democrats. marie: all the parties are mixed up now. we are on that note awaiting comment from the white house about potential increase in tariff on chinese goods as part of the president s plan to end what he calls abusive trade practices. why some are concerned about a trade war and how it could affect consumers and businesses up next. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms of an infection. or if you have received a vaccine, or plan to. if you have inflammatory bowel disease tell your doctor if symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reactions may occur. mitzi: with less joint pain, watch me. for less joint pain and clearer skin, ask your rheumatologist about cosentyx. enforcement to try to figure that one out. and just don t want to go racking it through my brain thinking of what happened, what happened, what happened? just driving myself insane. because i know everybody else around here is. and you just got to lead by example and try to just let the law enforcement do their job. melissa: we ll have more from the exclusive interview in a live report from iowa that is coming up in the next hour of outnumbered overtime with harris. lisa: while we are awaiting the white house press briefing we expect to hear more on news the president considering plans to slap 25% tariff on $200 billion of chinese goods. a big jump from the initial proposal for 10% tariff. the tariffs target food products, chemicals, steel, aaluminum and a most of consumer products. is this enough to force china s hand? david: what is forcing china s hand is their economy is desperate right now. the markets are smashed. they were over blown before but they have come way down. consumption is way down. people are eating at very minimalist levels down there. so they are not going to be importing much goods if we try to send them there. they are down. we are putting our foot on their neck. that is the trump approach is that while they are down we can get the concessions that the government, the communist chinese government has been so reluctant to give us. like forcing them to end this practice of stealing our technology as a price to pay for doing business in china. lisa: i know you are saying this is a negotiating tactic. i agree with that. but do you president trump had the meet withing the e.u. president i think last week. it moves fast these days. can president trump point to points on the board right now? melissa: he can say a lot of people said if you listen to him for a long time he really does believe in tariffs and he believes they work. he is trying to, you know, wall in the whole country both on the borders and economically. he has now demonstrated that that is not what he is after. he has repeatedly said that what he wants is zero tariffs everywhere. he said it at the g7 and again with the e.u. that is a really hard thing to do because before we were allowing them to collect on us while we weren t collecting on them. so to get them to give that up, you have to recreate leverage where others before you have given all the leverage away. so it s not an easy job to do. but the one thing we know now for sure is what his intention sincerely is. lisa: president trump has gotten a lot of criticism on the tariff and the trade of late. but if his ultimate goal is to try to get concessions on the deals how else does he extract it with the tariffs? marie: we ll see if the theory is true. so far we don t have new trade deals. we have pulled out of some and we don t have anything new. no points on the board as you asked melissa about. you are hearing republicans in congress trying to take legislative action to force the president s hand on tariffs because not only do they think it s bad economic policy, they think it s bad politics. if they have folks in the states soy bean farmers and people in the steel industry who have seen good economic news because of the tax cuts or the stock market and suddenly are hit with the tariffs that impact them, we have already seen it impacting farmers across the country. i think politically republicans are like hey, man, why are you doing this right before the midterms? you are hurting our own people with the tariffs and you are not getting anything done. they are not willing to give him unlimited time to negotiate new deals. lisa: staying on the politics. soy bean is north dakota s largest observation largest export. so you look at china exporting the soy bean to hurt trump in the districts and the states he has done well in. you are talking to people every day. what do you hear on that front? harris: on the front of talking to lawmakers in the states where they are hearing from the constituents. so the president may have thought he had some time with his base. he still does. but that is what i he threw out the $12 billion safety net if you will. we have to wrap it up. we have breaking news. melissa: all right. so that white house briefing is set to start any moment now. when it starts we will go there live. we ll be right back. high protein oh jeez! that s our truck! it s our truck! and they re our cars! that s my chevy! chevy s the only brand to earn j.d. power dependability awards across cars, trucks and suvs three years in a row. awesome. i m proud. it s like a dynasty. it s impressive. not in this house.? 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Analysis and discussion of the day s top stories and compelling issues from Lawrence O Donnell. rudy giuliani told politico today that the trump team wants to rule out-of-bounds about half of what robert mueller wants to discuss the president. quote, we don t want questioning on obstruction. they would have to concede that. robert mueller would not be allowed to ask president trump what he said to james comey about the fbi investigation of michael flynn. james comey says that the president told him, i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go. he s a good guy. i hope you can let this go. the only area that the trump team would consider allowing is how donald trump and his campaign interacted with russians during the presidential campaign. a week after reports that trump s personal lawyer michael cohen is willing to testify that donald trump knew about the meeting in trump tower with russians during the campaign before it occurred. nbc news is reporting today that the special prosecutor now wants to interview someone who helped arrange that meeting. the special prosecutor has requested an interview with the russian pop star who sent e-mails to donald trump jr. to arrange that meeting in trump tower. his american lawyer told nbc news conversations are ongoing about a potential interview and that it is, quote, unclear how this will play out. which, as of tonight, could serve as the headline for the status of everything. still under investigation by the special prosecutor. unclear how this will play out. leading off our discussion now, joyce nance, former special prosecutor. and former counsel to the mayor of new york city and eugene robinson, opinion writer for the washington post. he s an msnbc political analyst. and you are a former federal document, nothing. if there has been communication about this recently from the mueller team to the giuliani team, we have to believe rudy giuliani s account of that, which is an extremely difficult thing to do. but let s do it for the sake of this discussion. but the truth is we have no idea what communication has been going on. but if the giuliani conditions are what s being communicated to mueller, is there any way for mueller to accept those conditions? it really depends on what mueller thinks he needs out of this interview. and of course we don t know all of the cards that he s holding right now. but one thing prosecutors don t do when they need an interview with a witness, they don t negotiate because they have the subpoena power. and it is abundantly clear at least in my judgment that they don t plan on indicting the president because they are seeking this interview. according to giuliani and the president s lawyers, they have already said he is a subject, not a target. if mueller needs information that giuliani and the other lawyers aren t willing to seed them the authority to ask, they will simply issue a subpoena for the president and then let that run its way through the court process. how long would that take through the court process? you know, that s a really good question. it would depend on which grand jury they use. they could either go through d.c. or through virginia, which would be the fourth circuit. even if those were treated as emergency appeals, it would stretch on for some time. then it would likely go up to the united states supreme court. they could either decide it or return it in part to the lower court. we could be looking at a process that would stretch out over months. that s one of the reasons why republicans are racing as fast as they can to confirm the next supreme court justice, it is the route that joyce just described. but the giuliani game of he wants to testify. the new york times reporting last night as if it was breaking news that there are people in the white house who tell the new york times that the president really wants to talk to the special prosecutor, but it is his lawyers who are reluctant. there is absolutely no way to back that up. we have no idea whether donald trump actually wants to talk to mueller or not. all the indicators are that he s desperately afraid of talking to mueller. yeah. he ought to be, i think. if he s not. it is true that donald trump does appear to believe he can talk his way out of anything, just by lying, basically. that would be a really, really bad strategy to take into a meeting with the prosecutors. and that surely is what his lawyers are worried about. i do believe that his lawyers don t want him to go in there and talk. and as to whether, you know, he really wants to do it or really doesn t want to do it, who knows. it could depend on the day. but as you said at the beginning, if we re taking rudy giuliani s word for this, we are really out on a very slender limb. it s frankly hard to talk about what rudy says because we know that a lot of it, and i think the technical term for it is total crap. i mean, it s just not true. let s listen to the way the president s allies are talking about this possible interview publically. let s listen to the way newt gingrich describes the situation. i think the president is very unwise to walk into a perjury trap against a group of smart guys who have spent a year s time getting ready to try to kill him. and i think he is not no one is smart enough to take on all of mueller s team. and of course there is no such thing as a perjury trap. all you have in perjury is my view would be an admission of guilt, particularly on an obstruction charge, which is why they don t want obstruction as part of the interview. that part i believe. if there is an interview, they don t want any conversation about obstruction. i think it actually points to something that i think i will disagree with joyce on. it is one thing to say he s a subject, that donald trump is a subject of an investigation. subjects can become targets. the fact they have said he s a subject doesn t mean he can become a target, which is the very reason why they don t want him to testify. i think you re absolutely right. this entire political strategy, not legal strategy, but political strategy has been to convince the trump base that there is nothing they should be concerned about in terms of trump s behavior. here is the question i would ask anyone without regard to political affiliation. if you have nothing to hide, you cooperate. this is not cooperation. yeah. and, joyce, to that issue of subject versus target, it is a potentially of an impeachment proceeding if the folks on the hill at that point were deciding to go that direction, rather than making the president the target of an investigation and also an indictment. when you are using the word target, you mean in direct relationship to the other worth indictment . yeah, exactly. that s a term of art within the department of justice. but he is, in effect, gene robinson, a target for impeachment in the outcome of this investigation, especially on the question of obstruction of justice. the only person who could obstruct justice in this story is donald trump. yeah. and certainly the only person who has done it repeatedly and in public to say nothing of what he might have done in private that we don t know about. i guess one question i would have about this whole stage of the investigation is whether the president could in fact be named, if there is a conspiracy alleged in the final analysis by mueller, if he could be named as an unindicted coconspirator as richard nixon was years ago? is that a possibility to joyce or mia? i think to joyce s point, which is an important one, this does depend on how the department of justice looks at this institutionally. we already have a congress that s going after rod rosenstein for impeachment literally for acquitting his responsibility to the united states of america. it s very hard to know. but i actually think, and i m one of the folks that thinks that it also depends what the court of public opinion says. if there is sufficient evidence that becomes public that donald trump committed crimes beyond obstruction of justice, which i think is already in the public record, that there could be a reckoning that creates even potentially constitutional crisis. but certainly unindicted coconspirator would be if there is sufficient direct evidence. last word on unindicted coconspirator. i think it s likely that we will see the president as an unindicted coconspirator. what that means is he won t be named. he won t be indicted and justice department policy is not to include the name of a target that you don t indict in a case. so that s why his name won t be used. much as we saw in mueller s most recent indictment where people quickly realize that roger stone was the person referenced in a series of conversations, we might see the president in a cameo appearance like that in a subsequent mueller indictment. thank you very starting us off tonight. really appreciate it. when we come back, ivanka trump proved today that she is the only member of the white house staff who knows she absolutely cannot be fired. she said she disagreed with her father s policy of separating children from their parents on the southern border. she did not explain why she did absolutely nothing about it. and why she hasn t visited the southern border to tell her father what is really happening to those children. and republicans continue to try to push the confirmation of brett kavanaugh to the supreme court so that perhaps he will be there in time to rule on any appeal of any issue involving robert mueller and the president of the united states. 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(beep) these days, my waves get lost in the ocean seven billion swimmers man i m going through the motions sent up a flare need love and devotion trade it for some faces that i ll never know notion can i get a connection? can i get can i get a connection? can i get a connection? can i get can i get a connection? is in control of the impeachment process. the trump political team realizes the president s lies about maybe it wasn t russia attacked our election are not working and knowing they cannot get the president to say the right thing, they decided to use cabinet members to do that today. the president is so worried about who will be in charge of the impeachment process, that he threw himself into a senate campaign in pennsylvania in which the republican challenger is pulling 15 points behind the democratic incumbent senator bob casey. and a more disturbing poll in texas tonight for republicans. shows a statistical tie with ted cruz. on saturday the president will campaign at an ohio congressional district that he won by 11 points and there will be a special election there on tuesday. the democrat, danny o connor, is in a statistical tie with the republican in that race. a democrat has not held that seat since 1980. joining our discussion now mike murphy and jonathan alter. both are msnbc political analysts. mike, these numbers look like problems for republicans. what do you see when you look at them? yeah. it s kind of winter is coming, i fear. this was an interesting trip to pennsylvania. these rallies are mostly about the president wanting love and adoration of crowds. he went there because there is a lot of history for trump. the congressman from that area who is running for senate is behind double digits but running is an early trump supporter. and to the president s credit, that is a county where he massively overperformed. it is a place where he really spiked up. lou wants to win that senate race. he better get out of his own district, which is only maybe 80,000 voters out of the 2.5 million statewide and get to the philadelphia suburbs where the action is. the problem is he can t take trump there because trump can t get arrested. this was no political master stroke today. it was just the president doing his routine to an adoring crowd of republican primary voters. i m sure it made him feel good. i don t think it moved the needle at all? i tie in the senate race in texas with ted cruz as of tonight? it s unbelievable. i mean, if the democrats knock off ted cruz this year, they will be dancing in the streets. it is not clear it is going to happen. texas has been a strongly republican state for a long time. cruz is, you know, pretty effective at the cut and thrust of politics and he has a lot at his disposal, including a lot of money to try to take him down. but this is the kind of thing that indicates there could be a true blue tsunami that goes beyond re-taking the house and goes down to the state legislators and is a transformative election. i don t think we re there yet. i think democrats have this habit of kind of going on miller time, you know, going, okay, we got this in the bag. you know. all the signs, mike murphy is telling us on tv winter is coming. we don t have to dig deep in our pockets. we don t have to work that hard because this thing is done. and i think that would really be to misunderstand the history of elections and misunderstand recent elections where democrats have not turned out in midterms. that s the recent history. they don t show up. so unless that trend is changed, it s not at all clear that the democrats will do as well as expected in november. let s take a look at the president attacking the news media tonight in pennsylvania. it is a very familiar bit that we have seen at all of these rallies. let s take a peak at tonight s version. but they can make anything bad because they are the fake, fake, disgusting news. to which mike murphy tweeted today in anticipation of that very moment, my advice to media re: out of control trump driven crowd hostility at his rallies, boycott them. send in an ap pool reporter and ap pool photo. nothing more. take away his oxygen for a while. mike, it makes a lot of sense. if there is a tv camera there, we will all have access to anything he says that might be news worthy or worth putting on the air. there is not a thing he said tonight in that rally that has made it into this show in any serious way. yeah. if he is going to act the way he acts, and i d say this about any politician of any party and not make any news. he is the president. you got to cover him. but you don t got to cover him like it s the d-day invasion. there is no need to cover it for anything other than the pool. and trump walks into these rallies and he looks in the back and he counts how many sticks and cameras there are. if he says he won, he will know the calculus is turning. this is a decision point for the media to decide if they are complicit in this because they like the box office of having their talent arguing with trump and all this back and forth. i don t see it. cover it with a pool reporter. i don t think there is any need to put on the show now that frankly the president uses to reinforce his base supporters where the media is very unpopular. it is good box office for trump. the question is is the media more interested in that or the journalistic side of this. veteran of the campaign trail that has stood at more rallies as a reporter than any of us can count. is there any value to sending reporters into that room? no. at this point, i think mike is absolutely right. and i think we actually could go further than that. traditionally reporters are really competitive with each other. yeah. but as eleanor roosevelt said during world war ii, this is no ordinary time, right? and i think reporters have so sort of work together now more and they do that when there is a pool situation. they have to do what mike is suggesting. and if the president crosses a line in attacking somebody personally and he s done this, they have to think about whether they want to haul out of the press room and walk out. there is nothing stopping them from doing that. there is no news organization, no employer of any of the news reporters at those events who can guarantee the safety of their personnel at those events. that s right. that s a real concern. somebody is going to get hurt. you got his agreement on this, to my surprise. i thought jonathan was going to stick with his he s a friend of mine, but i m going to have a nightmare tonight. thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. thanks, lawrence. when we come back, ivanka trump said that she disagrees with her father s policy of separating children from their parents at the southern border. but ivanka trump did not say why she has done absolutely nothing about it. i m gonna follow the sun transitions™ light under control™ but allstate actually helps you drive safely. 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people. ivanka trump also said this today. i am very vehemently against family separation. and the separation of parents and children. very vehemently. not vehemently enough to resign from her job working for a president who would do such a thing. not vehemently enough to actually go to the southern border when her father was ripping those children away from their parents and witness it all up close and report back to him on what his cruelty actually looks like. not vehemently enough to visit the children in their cages in texas. not vehemently enough to try to find the infant babies when no one knew where they were, infant babies in her father s custody. she didn t feel it vehemently enough to go down there and see how the girls were being treated to make sure that the boys and the girls were safe from abuse. she did not feel vehemently enough about it to sit in a federal courtroom in texas and watch an immigration judge treat spanish speaking three-year-olds with no lawyers as adults and bring her eye witness experience of that legal atrocity back to her father to get him to stop his unspeakable cruelty to those children. ivanka trump was not so vehemently opposed to children being ripped out of the arms of their mothers that she actually did anything about it. ivanka trump added this personal note today. i am a daughter of an immigrant. my mother grew up in communist czech republic. but we are a country of laws. so, you know, she came to this country legally. and what if she didn t? what if ivanka trump s mother, donald trump s first wife violated immigration laws of multiple countries on her way to becoming the first mrs. trump and the mother of a daughter who feels so vehemently opposed to ripping children out of their mother s arms at the border that he did nothing about it? immigration reporter noticed that comment this morning by ivanka trump and raised a series of important questions about her mother s manipulation and violation of immigration law to get into the united states. and it is an easy story to tell because the first mrs. trump told the story herself in her book that she published just last year. he posted the pages of ivanka trump s book in which she explains that when she was 22, she married an austrian skier just to get an austrian passport. and in her book, she said the marriage wouldn t be real. it was only for me to get the necessary papers. that is a classic fraudulent marriage according to immigration law, but that marriage got ivanka trump s mother an austrian passport. she used that austrian passport to travel to canada where she lived before finally moving to the united states to mary donald trump. while she was still living in montreal, she made the two-hour drive to vermont because she liked the snow there so much. the snow is dry there. the powder was so light, i could ski circles around the americans. in no time, i became a ski instructor and taught kids how to race. in other words, in no time ivanka trump s mother became the kind of criminal that ice enforcement agents are rounding up and deporting. she was illegally working as a ski instructor in the united states while living in montreal on an austrian passport. what the first mrs. trump did to make it to the united states was completely understandable. the fake marriage, the works. he put it this way after telling the ivanna trump story on twitter today. people do what they can to get to the u.s. they fake marriages, cross borders, get by on unauthorized labor. have children that are called anchor babies. was ivanka trump an anchor baby? were her brothers anchor babies? their mother was not a citizen of the united states when they were born. the first mrs. trump did not become a citizen until 11 years after her marriage to donald trump. ivanka trump s mother told her story about getting into the united states in a book written last year with her daughter working in a white house that was trying to deport people like her mother when her mother was working at a ski resort in vermont. and the first mrs. trump told that story innocently and openly just last year because she trusted that we would all understand and accept everything that she did, including every violation of law from austrian law to canadian law to american law to find a better life for herself in this country. and that is a truly american story. it was then. and it still is now. ivanka trump owes her very existence to her mother s dream for a better life in america. and now ivanka trump and her father are trying to crush that dream for anyone who comes to this country the way ivanka trump s mother did. jardiance asked: when it comes to managing your type 2 diabetes, what matters to you? you got a1c, heart, diet, and exercise. slide em up or slide em down. so let s see. for most of you, it s lower a1c. but only a few of you are thinking about your heart. fact is, even though it helps to manage a1c, type 2 diabetes still increases your risk of a fatal 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that in general practice people would prefer to be free to move about. i can tell you that is centers that i saw did, as described, have schools and but you would send your child to these centers? i i yes? no? that is a difficult question to answer. joining our discussion now, jonathan ryan, executive director for the refugee and immigrant center in texas. and jonathan, as you know, the congressman wrote a letter to ivanka trump today after she made her public comments inviting her to come to the border, to come down there where you have been and to see first-hand what s happening there. if ivanka trump did go to the southern border now and if she did go to the federal courthouse and watch these hearings, and if she did meet the children who were being held in those cages still, there are still children in her father s custody, what would she be able to go back to the white house and tell her father. if ivanka trump as a mother and human being was truly vehemently opposed to these policies, she would be doing something about it. she would be resigning. she is an advisor in one of the most powerful policy offices in the entire world. if you are in my office or in that white house, if you are part of that advisory team and you truly are at a breaking point with the policy, if you are truly uncomfortable with the policy, the right thing to do is to resign. i think ivanka also needs to check her privilege because my heart obviously like everyone else s a breaking for her reaching a low point over this summer. this has been a low point for our entire country. this has been the lowest point in the lives of thousands of children who were separated as we now know on purpose by this government, by this administration who targeted families for this cruel and torturous treatment. this is going on today. i m reporting from the border from south texas, which this issue rages forwards. there are hundreds of fathers at the detention center right now who were separated from their children, held for a long period of time, months without them, and who have now been joined with their children in an internment camp run by a private prison company. they have been on hunger strike, hundreds of them, with their children because they have reached that point of december there appears to be in rhyme or reason as to why some were released and many, many more are currently still being held in indefinite detention. if she were to visit the border, which i doubt she will do. she will see it is no different than it was weeks ago when our entire country was captivated by these injuries. we see it every day in our daily work. i don t know if she s ready to see it. she has prime agency in this policy. you know, she actually in the same interview today said she enjoyed getting out and traveling, going to trump rallies and trump speeches because those are the only examples she gave in this. so this white house adviser who loves getting out of the white house and has apparently very strong feelings according to her about this policy shows no interest in traveling down to where you are and actually studying the effects of the policy. no interest in traveling here. i m sure like she had no interest in going to charlottesville and speaking with the victims of the terrorists that her father s at administration sided with, who were attacked. we fight every day for a world where immigrants rights are respected and treated with dignity and equality. what we are seeing here is, frankly, in my opinion, more dangerous and more insidious to have an administration that is in some way being treated like a royal family where you have got one member whose lashing out and the other who is somehow trying to button up the loose ends and act as though she is on the good side of history. she s not. thank you for joining us once again from texas tonight. really appreciate it. donald trump made a mistake apparently not listening to mitch mcconnell about the difficulty 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