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You may like robert mueller, but you may head the next guy or gal even more. >> sandra: and looking at these tactics employed by muller's, does as backup president trump coming as a witch hunt? >> pete: yes, they are searching for a crime, this is why it's so frustrating for jeff sessions because he's not able to keep it inside and make sure they're focusing on russian interference in the election, instead they're going down this rabbit trail or that one. it's part of intimidation. >> dagen: we should point out that this team had to persuade a judge that they were somehow not being faithful or...

Person in an official proceeding, withhold testimony or withhold a record, document from an official proceeding. the official proceeding is the interesting part here. is there something going on that donald trump was trying to mislead? that's the open question. >> well, could he have not been aware that his investigation he's been spending months trying to stop the investigation. >> right. >> so it seems quite clear -- >> but the white house likes to point this as it's not an investigation of the president or the president's family. >> of course it is an investigation of the president. muller'...

Know the full story? >> a senior staffer on saturday night believe they had a very, very good trip. i do believe that crisis will set in if reince priebus has access to the tips and i believe that would be a crisis point where people flee the show. >> is that mostly because reince seated the place he was? that blows up washington. >> that are blows up washington. >> you give them more. >> he said on the show today. we have a real crisis going on. we ought to be focused on that and the legislative and an lytics. not on the russia probe. that's mr. muller's. he doesn't trust the people he doesn'...