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prosecutor or a fair-minded expert would say the calls are -- and the d.a. doesn't claim that. this is important. we're going to hear more about this going into cases and trials. what this d.a. is saying and what legal experts and rico experts will tell you is those calls are now evidence amidst the wider plots. they become acts to advance the conspiracy precisely because there was a conspiracy, because there was evidence of the wider plots involving several people. and again, a plot was not to chat with officials, double-check the numbers. the plot was to illegally steal and overturn the results. to take trump's lie that he won and try to criminally enact it. that's why the other trump aides are charged now for the first time. some of them are more associated, frankly, with propaganda than other types of physical criminality. take trump's spokesperson and lawyer jenna ellis. after trump lost -- and again,

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here are receipts from giuliani's lying claims in a georgia legislative meeting. >> dominion and smartmatic, the connection to hugo chavez. it's a highly inaccurate machine. there's overwhelming evidence of fraud. you don't have to be a genius to know they aren't legitimate votes. >> he can lie about that in public, but lying to the authorities are illegal, as that former prosecutor knows bether than most hem faces his first charges, as does lawyer sidney powell, seven counts for her repeated plot with plans to willfully tamp we are electronic ballot markers and tabulating machines. now, powell hurt her case by writing this down in a contract with a data firm and then traveled for the purpose of willfully tampering with

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theories then were more benign. donald trump is a sore loser. his feelings are hurt. give him time to absorb it. this is the toddler theory of the presidency. i don't know if you're familiar. the professor and i discussed it before. now it's pursuant to what the d.a. says is a criminal plot. that type of public stuff, while legal on its own was trying to soften the ground, get the type of superfans or, you know, propaganda victims, whatever you want to call it, to get closer to their plot, which is to stage elector fraud, edward. >> well, i think you're right. i don't think that any of them anticipated that the district attorney, that the prosecutor fani willis would rely on the georgia rico statute, which is pretty broad compared to the statute in other states, to bring together all of the

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multipronged racketeering plot. that's how we got here. here's how all of this took off. >> former president donald j. trump has been criminally indicted in the state of georgia. >> it begins with the rico act. that's the big one, and it is broad. >> it's here, all 98 pages of it, and it has that infamous rico count. >> the grand jury issued arrest warrants for those who are charged. >> you're waking up to significant historic news. >> donald trump indicted overnight for the fourth time. >> this time by the state of georgia. if he were to be convicted he could not pardon himself. >> 18 codefendants have also been charged. >> his personal attorney, rudy giuliani, his former chief of staff mark meadows. >> the defendants engaged in a criminal racketeering enterprise to overturn georgia's presidential election result. >> he's now facing four different felony trials as he

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