The georgia case is for a lot of these we need translators, former prosecutors. What fani willis charged was the clearest thing we all saw with our own eyes. And i had this conversation in the 8 00 hour. What trump told his voters his first year as president in 2017 from a podium was dont believe what you see, dont believe what you hear, only believe me. And what fani willis indicted yesterday just blows that out of the water. In state court we could see with our own eyes. And my understanding again, youre the lawyer in these conversations was that if this, then that. So if this criminal enterprise with us corrupt in nature and all in pursuance of a crime, then all of these acts were a part of it and all these people were a part of it. From the outside having worked in politics, thats what it looked like to me. So, to read that narrative is what made that indictment, the fourth in just a few short months, different from the others. I agree. I think you put that very well. Sometimes we have this thing, and when we cover government and stuff, sometimes, as you well know from your white house purge, there might be good reasons why something is confidential. There might be good reasons why we dont get the news, the information right away, and theres those tradeoffs. Last night for the nation was one of those times you say, yeah. But seeing it in realtime, in reality with transparency and accountability, and did everyone is afforded their rights thats a good thing in a season where weve seen frankly a lot of bad things. So nicolle, Great Tag Teaming with you and rachel and the team. Hope you get some rest. See you soon. You too. Ill go upstairs and watch you now. Our thanks to nicolle wallace. We turn now to this first Ever Racketeering Indictment Of Defendant donald trump and 18 coconspirators in georgia. D. A. Willis case is broad. Its tough. It is bad news for Defendant Trump and the codefendants, and later tonight we are actually going to present to you two new beat Special Reports with our reporting and revelations drawn from this very exhaustive indictment. We have that coming up in our coverage. Ill be with you for special coverage across two hours from now through 8 00 p. M. Eastern tonight. Right now we begin with the facts and the Legal Process as it unfolded. Youre seeing the exact Legal Process here as transparently presented. This is what open court looks like a contrast to earlier federal indictments. Multiple cameras taking the public inside that historical criminal proceeding. The grand jury voted the charge. Then the 98page indictment was walked over. You see some of this here. And delivered to the court clerk. Then that is stamped and signed, the historic document being formally processed. In court you see them walking in with it. It was presented to the presiding judge. The judge to review and sign. The cameras chronicling this legal, National History as it was made. All we could tell is it was printed on letter sized white paper and seemed to be about that thick and had a few different striations to it. All eyes you could see on Fulton County and the courthouse. The grand jury reportedly poised to indict President Trump. What we saw was the judge reviewing that indictment. This sweeping indictment accuses Defendant Trump of running the conspiracy. Prosecutors assert that trump and allies had this longrunning Multipronged Racketeering plot. Thats how we got here. Heres how all of this took off. Former president donald j. Trump has been criminally indicted in the state of georgia. It begins with the rico act. Thats the big one, and it is broad. Its here, all 98 pages of it, and it has that infamous rico count. The grand jury issued Arrest Warrants for those who are charged. Youre waking up to significant historic news. Donald trump indicted overnight for the fourth time. This time by the state of georgia. If he were to be convicted he could not pardon himself. 18 codefendants have also been charged. His personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, his former Chief Of Staff mark meadows. The defendants engaged in a Criminal Racketeering Enterprise to overturn georgias president ial election result. Hes now facing four different Felony Trials as he runs for president. The d. A. Has given all defendants until Friday August 25th to voluntarily surrender. If anyone waives that option, which is generally in the defendants interest, then the Arrest Warrant Process would begin. People in or out of state would be found and brought in against their will. We are living through history. I just showed you, the way this played across the entire world. Nicolle and i discussed how the facts and transparency really matter. Youll notice one of the clips we just showed you, on fox news, during the sean hannity coverage, one of Donald Trumps most loyal defenders, they couldnt resist showing the very newsworthy live video coverage. They couldnt resist that for whatever their reasons and judgments were because we got to see inside the process, the courtroom, the facts, the reality. So much of this began with lies, lies that as of Last Night Georgia has indicted as racketeering, as a mafia style criminal case. But the lies of course continue. Why would they stop if thats how we got here . So there are lies about the prosecutors, there are lies about the judicial process. There are lies about whether this is even happening, some of which were not repeating. Donald trump blatantly lied about the last couple days. Yet the facts are what the case turns on when a jury is asked to find, and the facts were what was on display as we watched that quite historic set of developments into the night last night. We want to bring in two legal experts. David kelly was the chief of the famed sdny, a former federal prosecutor and i should mention, my former boss and jay tom morgan, former District Attorney for dekalb county, georgia, a neighbor of Fulton County. Welcome to you both. David, in your courtrooms we dont see that kind of stuff and dont see televised trials. I begin at the big picture level. Weve got a lot of details later tonight. On a big picture level, what do you think it meant for americans to begin to see the process transparently, to understand that human beings handled the presentation of evidence, that The Grand Jury held its vote, that it was all on the up and up, and that now this former president and many of his lawyers and allies are being treated as Racketeering Defendants . I think its wonderful. We talked about this before, ari, where part of this whole exercise needs to be about transparency and accountability. I think its a wonderful thing the federal courts dont have cameras in the courtroom. But there needs to be an exception in this case. What transpired last night highlights the reasons for that, to show people and i think its most important this case that people see not only the process, but they also understand the facts. You and i have talked about this before facts matter, and i think part of this whole equation is the process and the other part is going to be the facts. And getting that out there and educating the public about what really transpired here i think is important for the criminal Justice System and important to instill in the public a sense of confidence or renewed confidence in the system, and i think its renewed confidence given the indictments and the people who violated the law probable cause means more than anything than not these folks engaged in these crimes. Jay tom . I cannot emphasize enough the importance of cameras in the courtroom. I trood one of the first cases in georgia that was televised and several more since then, including prosecution of a public official using rico statute. Just as said, sunshine is a form of disinfectant. This is not a case of letting them be hid from the public. The public needs to see and hear what each witness says under oath. And decide for themselves. This case will not only be tried by a jury, it will be tried in a court of public opinion, as it should be. I recall hearings where sam bergen presided over those, a trial attorney, and the American Public got to see the evidence against the president in that case as well. Let me just emphasize something else. Having tried cases with cameras in the courtroom, theres one thing when a witness takes the stand to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and its just a jury and a judge and the lawyers watching. When youve got a Million People watching you testify under oath, its my experience it really brings people to tell the truth. Interesting. David, how strong is the rico case . Its looking very strong. Its detailed, its in the weeds. Its an extraordinary indictment. The one thing i didnt like was the sbruktry paragraph, those defendants didnt accept the outcome of the election, which let me put that up. This is georgia versus trump. It says they lost. It says the other defendants, quote, refused to accept that trump lost and willfully joined the conspiracy. Explain to us what youre thinking about that. So, the thing that caught my eye and kind of bugged me about it was, look, this is great work by these prosecutors, but part of what the whole trump mantra is is that he believed and Still Believes that he won the election. And this kind of lends credence. It creates a runway for him to take off from to, say that in fact they didnt accept it because they didnt believe it. Now, you and i talked about this before. The question is, is that belief reasonable . And certainly it is not in the face of so much evidence, you know, when you hear from the attorney general of the United States saying theres nothing to be found or when you hear about all the different judges who have rejected the claims of voter fraud. And when raffensperger, the secretary of state in georgia told him outright. So its not a reasonable belief, but i dont think its a big issue, but it kind of bugged me that it was in there in that opening paragraph. But other than that i think its well done. I think the other thing, too, is the fact that important thing here is that the conspirators in the smith indictment are named as defendants in this case. So a couple things that means to me. One, does that mean that that forecloses the possibility of them cooperating with jack smith . Or does it really create more leverage now for jack smith and for fani willis to go ahead and try to convert these folks into cooperating witnesses . Yeah, thats an interesting point, and one that many prosecutors and investigators are keeping an eye on, which is how does that play out, as we look at the many, many codefendants. Former prosecutor david kelly, thank you. Jay tom morgan, as our georgia expert ive asked you to stick around. Were going to hear from you on the other report we have. Let me tell you whats coming up. This is a twohour episode. We have a Special Report on the criminal racketeering law and how its caught up with people like giuliani. First, a chance i havent had something to do with you yet, weve gone through, our team, and scrutinized this entire, strong, exhaustive set of charges against all these individuals. We have the specific plots that target georgia. Why its a stronger case there. Why its different than jack smith. That Special Report is next. Sp. 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Take trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, now indicted on 13 accounts, including lying and trying to get Public Officials to break and law and steal the race. Thats what the charges say. Here are receipts from giulianis lying claims in a georgia legislative meeting. Dominion and smartmatic, the connection to hugo chavez. Its a highly inaccurate machine. Theres overwhelming evidence of fraud. You dont have to be a genius to know they arent legitimate votes. He can lie about that in public, but lying to the authorities are illegal, as that former prosecutor knows bether than most hem faces his first charges, as does lawyer Sidney Powell, seven counts for her repeated plot with plans to willfully tamp we are electronic Ballot Markers and tabulating machines. Now, powell hurt her case by writing this down in a contract with a data firm and then traveled for the purpose of willfully tampering with electronic Ballot Markers and tabulating machines. These defendants deny any wrong doing. Charges, though, the new indictment lays out, many, many strands of these plots. This is important here. The d. A. Is arguing together the evidence shows and it can of course test this. They have to prove it to a jury that it all went beyond Legal Services o