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The idea of sending the message to the mummer team they're going to play hardball, they'll have to subpoena the of president to sit down. giuliani and the team said repeatedly that's a fight they welcome, if it goes to the supreme court. kavanagh talked about this yesterday. >> let me ask you something. is having giuliani as the president's lauryn competence by design or is it just incompetence? you've got in mr. giuliani a guy who is constantly changing the story, and is that because he just doesn't know what he's talking about, or does that serve the interests deliberately serve the interest...

Have been clear -- >> he changes his mind. it's not that the reporting is wrong. >> he couldn't be clearer, he's not going to answer questions on obstruction. they seema menable to the written responses on the collusion part of it, although the newest sticking point, goal post is about follow-up questions, not thinking the president should face follow-up questions or if he were they'd have to be agreed to in advance. their parameters or so on. it's a slow way of walking through this interview process. within an hour of speaking, our story hitting the wire, he wouldn't do an obstruction intervi...

Up in the air. why somebody would suddenly and so abruptly change their mind. he said nobody had contacted him. but those are questions that have to be raised. >> could he just not want to share them because they're humiliating? the guy lost his job a year ago, over a year ago at this point, because it was found he had facebook posts with racial slurs in them. can you imagine what his private e-mail exchanges must look like between him and roger stone? >> that's if you think the mummer team is going to leak your private e-mail exchanges. and so far we've found the mueller team hasn't leaked a ...