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Either way its going to be dangerous. There is a lot of violence in the taggers. They get into fist fights. Ive arrested tagers with knives and brass knuckles. Ive heard stories of guns being taken off tagers. It is a violent culture or has aspects of violent culture in it. You need to educate people on that. When youre going when youre painting over someones graffiti, that could be seen as the ultimate disrespect. And you could be exposing yourself to a lot of danger. Thats one of the reasons why we have officers going out with juveniles. Now, the good thing about doing paint overs is its not...

Is diminishing, when you can show them how different it can be, that suddenly makes Good Business sense to them and theyll dedicate the resources to you. So, thats whats worked for me. applause anybody else up there . Everybody okay with that answer . I think were pretty grateful here in San Francisco that we have a mayor that was actually the director of the department of public works. So, we know hes totally on top of it and involved. Do you have another question . This isnt geared towards any particular speaker, but it is geared towards abatement. We have an annual volunteer event where gra...

[speaker not understood]. Do we have anybody up there . We have one pioneer over here thats willing to take on that one. By the way, is that oakland, that accent . [laughter] i guess from my perspective, it never hurts to ask. We have a huge variety of sponsors. For example rona who is like a lowes or home depot who is supplying or providing paint. They are a sponsor of my program. So, they provide me a 45 discount on paint as well as they give me a 25 discount coupon that we give to everybody. They supply the materials for my wipe outs, they supply the paint for my wipe out. Cis not cis, seco...

I dont want them babysitting me. But i never go in alone again. I carry some protection. I get a threevehicle escort. Our Police Department is all behind this. I use magnetic signs on my vehicle now and i always wear a safety vest. Never go alone. We set up five different conditions to do that so we never have a repeat. Its not worth it. Hes from hayward. Hes in hayward and im going to come over to gideon unless anybody else there has a response to this. Gideon if youd like to stand up. Id like to ask about, there are three pernicious forms of graffiti that in some ways have actually gotten wo...

Is going up or down, it has to do with how effective you can make your programming. The graffiti Audit Program we have come up with, we looked everywhere to see if there was anybody doing any type of Statistical Analysis on graffiti vandalism in cities and we werent able to find any so the model you will see is we worked with Mark Mckinney and management and worked as a team to see how we could view how graffiti affects the city. These audits are designed to be repeatable from year to year. We have done 3 audits to date and we have been able to effectively determine how we are doing. So whats ...