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Stall for time while they continue with the development of their nuclear programs or their muscle programs. so as long as we are aware of that and we don't go into this blindly, but again, what we are trying to do is to force him to the table, so let's not take -- if he does present an olive leaf, let's not rush that aside. lets sincerely try to engage him, but let's do it, as i said, in a mature, showing judgment that recognizes that that they are not always honest with us, in fact, they are rarely honest with us, we don't want them to delay these negotiations just so he can complete his miss...

Continue with the development of their nuclear programs or their muscle programs. so as long as we are aware of that and we don't go into this blindly, but again, what we are trying to do is to force him to the table, so let's not take -- if he does present an olive leaf, let's not rush that aside. lets sincerely try to engage him, but let's do it, as i said, in a mature, showing judgment that recognizes that that they are not always honest with us, in fact, they are rarely honest with us, we don't want them to delay these negotiations just so he can complete his missile program. >> shannon: c...

>> sandra: correct. the response is going to be key. besser john bolton said, trump must withdraw. he said, we must urgently reevaluate our muscle programs. he says it is very clear and puts a lot of pressure on the president. >> he does. the problem with my way of thinking is, it is a bad deal. president trump's right to point out. it is a terrible deal for u.s. national interest. the problem, the deal is inked. it is signed. we spent a couple of years rallying allies around the world to include france, germany, britain, to get on board with the nuclear talks. president obama did that, and we...

Need to have this pro free market capitalism human rights debate anymore and i think that's really a tragedy. we're going to see the balkans slip away. we really have to engage in this debate and it's very important for congress to go forward and say, you know what, we don't think the fight is over in eastern europe, let's pour more money into having this debate. we can win this debate. this is ours to win. >> do you think what congress and the president has worked on so far, sanctions, talking about restricting travel, financial transactions of key folks involved in the dispute, will it work ...