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Play, unless they were caddying. if you take it in totality, yes, the dream is not fulfilled completely, but can we agree we're closer to the dream than martin luther king could have hoped for in the '60s. >> in someways yes, in someways no. i can't tell you what it would be like on my pbs show, he couldn't imagine i would be sitting on public television with a chance to talk to him. i see that in my own life. you don't have to mention oprah -- >> my point. >> -- >> i take your point. here is the thing, individual african americans have done well and the problem is too many of us who have done...

League, the black journalist of the era turned on lynn done. disinvited to the white house. 72% of the american people turned against him in the last to terrorist poll -- >> tavis, i get all this -- >> he would say the same thing. >> but i come back to the same question. what do you do about it? you have the first african american president in this country, he's being faced with a genocide l -- >> tough decision. >> monster in syria, what do you do? is the answer nothing? i don't believe the sensible answer can be we turn our backs. >> and the answer is never. the answer is never nothing. you ...

Completely, but can we agree we're closer to the dream than martin luther king could have hoped for in the '60s. >> in someways yes, in someways no. i can't tell you what it would be like on my pbs show, he couldn't imagine i would be sitting on public television with a chance to talk to him. i see that in my own life. you don't have to mention oprah -- >> my point. >> -- >> i take your point. here is the thing, individual african americans have done well and the problem is too many of us who have done well have abandoned those who are not doing so well. not just a raise question in this count...

Think, raised today than answers given with his interview with my network pbs and i don't want to repeat what your guests said tonight. we can't go at it alone. we want to get in. we don't know how to get out. we want to punish somebody. what is the long-term objective? all the stuff you talked about to your guest, these are questions that have to be asked. if martin luther king were here he would say non-violence is the answer, that love is the only weapon that can turn an enemy into a friend and somehow we think that love is a joke. love is a real thing. and love just means that everybody is...