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People behind him. he spent time with them. he seems to be appealing to them. and not just showing up at the end of the election. do you think democrats are the democrats are excited more about ideas and policies or individuals because this is a name game. and a lot of people are looking at the boards to see who is out there announcing. i think people want to talk about healthcare. there is no clear leader of the party. we are to get about issues and ideas were think about what the nation would progress. i definitely don't think it's all about that. a lot of those candidates will be campaignin...

Political bones. >> the new york times is writing about that. there's a piece talk about john kelly wasn't the guy that came in ready for the re-elect. based on my reporting and source, john kelly was made a big deal that he hated politics. that wasn't his thing. that wasn't his job. that might not fly for the next couple of years. >> nick was a good choice. he was political. he would solve the problem of getting the president ready for the campaign. >> there's a state of shock among staffers. as late as saturday night, we were being told this looks like it's moving forward. i'm told sunday mo...

Those names is dina powell. she is his former deputy national security adviser. she works, of course, at goldman sachs right now, so she's already in new york there with her family. she also served in the bush administration. she had her role here, steph, for about a year and she left on very good terms. she was broadly respected within the administration, frankly. i asked top adviser kelly ann conway earlier today if she is, in fact, the front runner. take a listen to her answer. >> the president said that he's considering a number of people, including my former colleague and my friend dina p...

Require that. but there is another name on the list, dina powell who left the administration after having served as deputy national security adviser. she did so because her life and home and family is so because h home and family is in new york city. well, that's also where the united nations is located so that would no longer be an impediment. we heard today from kellyanne conway, senior counselor to the president here on the driveway of the north lawn with some of her thoughts about where the process stands. >> the president said that he's considering a number of people including my former c...

Now they want to go after these career government employees. >> we can get a lot of credit on this show for the democrats starting the name game. tone starpts at the top. this is the most indecent. the most hostile, the most ugly language i've ever heard from somebody in the position of the leadership. comes from the president. >> that's not saying that my point. >> he's got to take some ownership for that. >> back to you on this, the democratic party created an opportunity for the gop to make the case that jason is making right now, new answer doesn't sell well in politics. when they hear abo...