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Seem tied to joe biden's. do you feel it? you defend -- you have similar medicare for all ideas. >> right. >> meaning you have medicare x. it's similar. in some ways i would argue you defended his proposal better than he did a couple of debates ago. >> i would say it's my proposal, although i'm happy to have him join me. >> fair enough. what do you make of his resiliency? >> i think people -- the number one issue for democratic voters is finding somebody who can beat donald trump. and as long as joe biden has the well-earned name identification that he has, it's going to be hard to dislodge pe...

Here, you have not been up there with biden and warren and sanders as a top-tier candidate, but you have been been steady and as i've talked to you about this before, you have said, basically, you're on track that this is the way that you had planned to do. it's sort of slow and steady wins the race. >> yes. >> can you put some detail on that and explain to me how this works? >> yes. i knew i wasn't the one that was going to start out with all of the name identification. and i also knew that i would slowly but surely gain. that's what we're doing. part of this is that i believe in politics the...

The name identification. and i also knew that i would slowly but surely gain. that's what we're doing. part of this is that i believe in politics the way i think you should do it. which is, meeting people, getting people onboard, and getting that kind of support that's going to last you until the end. it might not be a viral moment, but that's just a moment. what really matters is can you build the coalition? and for me, that is our fired up base, but it's also bringing in independents, who are more and more, as you know from the 2016 election when we took back the house of representatives and...

Are their messages too close? what's going on? >> hardly. what is happening, bernie sanders is not changing, he's the same as he once was and same as he ever was. in fact, it's a cruel irony for bernie sanders. he has a better chance to win the democratic nomination in 2020 than he did against hillary clinton in 2016 except -- that remains true. he was never going to get there against hillary clinton. it was a binary choice. democrats that don't like him, democrats were not going to let that happen. this time in a crowded more chaotic field, he has a shot maybe to get there. he has an organiza...

That poll. bernie sanders, supreme name recognition. he had so much backing the last time he went against hillary clinton. biden, of course, has been vice president. beyond that, how do you explain it? what happened? >> it's all about name i.d., harris. you're absolutely right. it's an early part of the primates. remember, we've got a year to go before people get to vote. in these early parts of the cycle, it's all about name identification. biden and bernie sanders have that recognition, have the name i.d. the rest of them, voters are just kind of getting used to them. the numbers will change...