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Know, and just describe as a american in a development situation, who is the person on the other side of the deal if the check clears -- is he the kind of person who says i don't want to know where this came from, but i'll take it? >> i guess from the reports of the meetings that happened, obviously the answer is yes. >> for don junior. i'm talking about the president. >> i don't know if i can answer that. i don't know if i can answer that question. i don't believe that donald trump would ever meet or collude with a foreign power against our country. i certainly would never even speak to him i...

Did you meet sergey kislyak in cleveland? did you talk to him? >> i'm not going to deny that i talked with him. although i did -- i will say i never met him anywhere outside of cleveland. let's just say that much. >> the only time that you met him was in cleveland. >> i may have met him possibly, it might have been in cleveland. >> let me ask -- let me start with this. as mueller -- i know you talked to the fbi, right? >> absolutely, yes. >> which has been disclosed leaked to "the washington post." that's been out there. >> so have they ever asked you about that meeting in the rnc? >> i told t...

You don't know who owners who, who's behind 2 it. but whether we were involved in selling to someone for the purpose of masking anything, absolutely not. >> how interested is donald trump in the people on the other side of the deal? >> if they bring a check and the check clears, they're a good customer. >> that's his mo? >> that's every developer in new york's m.o. >> you take that m.o., you put it in a different situation like, would you taking a meeting on dirt of your opponent, right? >> i don't know. i'm not a politician. i'm assuming every politician would, but i don't know. >> my questio...

Watergate, are norms enough, or do we need to codify some of these structures that prevent this kind of interference? >> do you have faith in -- fundamentally, in the judgment and integrity of jeff sessions to uphold the norms that we're discussing? >> i worry a great deal. >> that's not a "yes." >> it's not a "yes." and this is a very difficult thing for me to say. this is a very, very difficult thing for me to say. i'm not a person who likes to criticize my successors, predecessors, because i know how tough that job can be. and yet, the actions that he has taken in response to criticisms tha...

2000 to do real estate development. >> that was in his office? >> no. we were in the building. we were in trump tower. we were on the 24th floor. the trump organization is on the 26th floor. i basically knocked on his door, said i think we should become partners. i have great real estate deals. >> it's a very trumpian move. >> i think it's a very felix move. >> did you guys get along? >> yes. >> how would you characterize your relationship? >> friendly. >> talked a lot? >> sometimes a lot. >> talked in the phone, talked in person? >> mostly in person. i was two doors down. i would just go upst...