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>> that is an exact point that the left needs to know. you know naomi is talking and she just represents the left. we love naomi on the show of course but she's talking like we just have this one big standard oil. and this one big u.s. steel. and if you don't work for either of those two companies, you're out there with the grapes of wrath in the dust bowl for crying out loud. you're right, brenda yes, of course the employers want cheap labor. they want cheap everything into their production line. and they can get it. if the employee doesn't want to work for walmart, they can go somewhere else...

So they took pension money, i'm sorry, they took union money so they could cut union benefits. so what they want to do is get away from that. the central state pension that runs a $2 billion annual shortfall. they are dying here. they have no money. they want a shell game and put all the heat back on mcdonald's, back on walmart, get it to themselves for about $15 an hour. they don't want to talk about themselves because they are drying. >> i want to get to everyone but naomi, respond to that. >> that was a result of compromise. they went to lobby congress which is to effectively get change and...

Taxed? no but that's a revenue source here. why is the middle income earner having to pay the taxes for the corporations to drive their big trucks when we could be you know investing in small businesses and local economies. see, you guys don't agree with me. >> okay jonas? >> obviously between now and the future we have flying cars like in "back to the future" with banana peels in the future machine. we have to tax something besides gasoline to pay for the roads and/or signs in the sky. and eventually we have to switch the system so we should start to look into it now. however, you will kill t...

It's rough. i can't make ends meet. it's tough. what recovery? there's no recovery. then to the southwest coast, it's like 2007. it's go go go. i could have 15 jobs tomorrow. they are in a totally different reality out there, especially in silicon valley or in texas, despite the oil. and so really what you've got are two different realities of people saying yeah the recession is over and people still saying we are still in the recession. so when you have two different realities in the same country, you'll have politicians using it to their advantage depending on what party they are in and noth...

If you use something a lot, you should pay more. look i feel badly if someone lives way outside the city but then choose public transportation. choose to live closer. this is the way to go. we have the technology. it should be on every road in america. >> okay john you agree? >> very rarely do i disagree with gary b. but gary b. is not wrong very often. so -- look here's the problem. you cannot trust politicians with money, surprise surprise. the lottery was sold in the south. they are going to use it to fund schools. it went to the general fund. the gas tax, 40% goes to special projects. we a...