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They've got to contain it, make sure he doesn't use the thunderstorm and the dark of night to elude the circle that surrounds him. be patient, wait him out, use the girlfriend, if that is what it takes, try to get him down. get him to back off. right now, he's got that finger on the hair trigger and is plugging away at anyone. and now, you can have thunder, you are not going to know if it's thunder or gunfire. it's a mess in philly, but patience. they've got the perimeter secure. patience is what these cops need. and i'm sure the chief is advising exactly that. >> sean: pat, let me go to you. ...

The roof. >> one of the cops had blood on him. >> sean: joining us now it is breaking news story, fox news correspondent at large, geraldo rivera, retired nypd detective, and fox news contributor ted william, a former police detective. i don't want to spread information, ted, i just want a straight answer, want to know there is nobody in the room with him. we know he is ammunition, we know he has firepower, we know he is willing to fire and kill anybody, but options are different once we know for sure he is alone in there. >> absolutely, all of the options are there. i think we need to thank g...

Commitment and loyalty to service and protection of life, even prisoners. because that, as you pointed out, was one of the reasons they didn't rush the building. so all of the options are on the table now. >> sean: all of the options will be on the table. you're right. geraldo, i know this may sound callous in the minds of some liberal people, but assuming he is alone in there, i'm not against our guys doing what they need to do, because whatever information they would probably get from him, they will get from the three people they took out with him 15 minutes ago. >> oh, please, trust me. if ...

Limited. reading this free air in and out. he's cooked. his goose is cooked. as geraldo pointed out, they are ultimately going to figure out how to rush the apartment he is in on the first floor, and crush him, take him out of gunfire, just like the rabid dog that he is. that's what's going to happen. it's not going to end pretty at all to 5:00 a.m. or 3:00 a.m. or 1:00 a.m., but it will be merciless and it will be executed with precision, and he will be cognizant of tripwires, but this guy has to stop. he has an extraordinary amount of ammunition. he has a highly unusual tenacity and commitme...

Great s.w.a.t. team, philadelphia pd there. that got to contain it, make sure he doesn't use the thunderstorm and the dark of night to elude the circle that surrounds him. be patient, wait him out, use the girlfriend if that is what it takes, try to get him down. get him to back off. right now, he's got that finger on the hair trigger and is plugging away at anyone. and now you can have thunder, you are not going to know if it's thunder or gunfire. it's a mess in philly, but patients. they've got the perimeter secure. patient is what these cops need need. i'm sure the chief is advising exactly...