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Germany has changed their policy militarily for the first time, obviously, since '45. but finland becoming a member of nato, that is momentous. can you explain how momentous that is. >> well, it is a big change, and it's, of course, the opposite of what vladimir putin wanted to happen. he wanted to weaken nato. instead, nato is going to be strengthened by taking in finland and sweden. i was ambassador when finland joined the eu, which became then the northern border of the eu with russia. now once finland joins nato t will become the 800-mile northern order with russia. russia is ending up wit...

He's been mpleading with nato t establish the no fly zone and i know the fear is triggering a wider war. but is there a point that this needs to be considered or as you said, you know, should we stay the course? america, nato, stay the course now and not even a partial as you say or a limited no fly zone? >> well, if someone can explain to me how you can construct a limited no fly zone that doesn't spill over into a full scare -- >> and one mistake with a limited no fly zone can escalate into something that's a atrocio but go on, please. >> fshor the russians to take o of our aircraft out or u...

There? >> yes. pete: they said donald trump would blow up alliances. didn't joe biden instead? >> trump would never have left unless a proper deal had been struck between the afghan army and the taliban. that wasn't in place. so yes you're quite right it was donald trump that was going to ruin nato t was donald trump that was going to make america isolationist. he did the opposite. he was out there campaigning for peace, the "abraham accords," the fact he visited, crossed the line, north korea showed you he wasn't a warmonger president, trying in foreign policy terms to do good things with ame...