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Why? one big reason for that, in 2020, spotify reportedly paid more than $100 million for the exclusive rights to the podcast. so they don't want to budge. another reason, spotify is a tech company trying to maximize profits and spotify's popular music service is not profitable. so there's a lot riding on the popularity of podcasts, especially joe rogan who generates an estimated 11 million listeners per episode. that's not bad. >> sandra: thanks, ashley. thank you. great to see you. a senate panel readying the mother of all sanctions against russia after an invasion. why not before? senate fo...

He's blamed the media. he's blamed the democrats. and so we call this in counterterrorism, right, a sort of form of radicalization. what he's doing is he's somewhat in some ways radicalizing those who do not like democrats, those who don't like a type of person. not saying he's a proponent of violence. just saying for someone who ought to know that people are hearing him in aay that is leading to the kind of violence we're seeing, as we know from -- in all of these cases, these re politically motivated, that you would think that he would responsibly tone it do, and he has not. i wish i had bet...