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Percent gdp. this doesn't come close. >> look beingament the spending in 2009, there is it a big increase because of the stimulus and it doesn't go anywhere. we have a permanent amount much spending. president spinding 20 percent. is that not enough for you? >> it is not enough. we need to be sphending more on the economy right now. >> 75 percent of the private sector or what. >> it comes back and starts adding more jobs. >> that make sense. >> david,, we are now looking at basically cutting back. >> emac, that is the point what mark is saying, you help the private sector by taking more from t...

Consumed by the budget cuts and what are you going to do? >> i agree. there is it a problem with pensions . they are underfunded and we need to do something about it and the big thing here david, let's be fair and they are benefits that are promised to the employees and we nide to make them whole and they were promised in llieu of pay. >> mike, no one is talking about taking away what was promised. this was for new employees and going into the future. one of the things this will stop david is the way politicians get taxpayers to sign off on the pensions. only so much in salary and we are going...

800 billion extra from 2008. guess what, it never stopped. it was supposed to be a one stop 2010 and 11 and 12 we have maintained the extra spending in a time when we had cut back on military spending. >> absolutely. >> and that is increasing and guess what, that adds up to the deficit, right? >> david, the problem is deeper than what you are describing. this goes back decades. when you look at entitlement spending over the last half century, it has steadily crept up four percent every year and that includes adjustments for population growth. so what then? you increase taxes four percent every...

I am worried about 2013. >> i am a fan of mexico. i think ben is right. we appreciate it and another guy who is always right. david asbin on forbes. here's dave. >> welcome to america. welcome to government hand outs? a republican law makers demanding that the department of scort scort taking down the web site showing new immigrants how to sign from medicaid to food stamps. is this the new american dream. welcome to forbes on fox we'll go to mr. steve forbes elizabeth and rick and mike. steve, is this the america you know and love? >> no, david, it is not just immigrants of the country. people...

Administer a narcotic and subtle destroyer of the human spir . that was franklin roose velt. >> yes, people want an opportunity and not a government life line. honesty needs to be injected in the debate. statistics are taken at face value. we want to help the poor. but what is ohm counted in the poverty rate is cash assistance and cash money that goes out of the door. food stamps is not counted and oecd, people in europe critize the united states. we need an honest debate. j.f.k. said a rising tide lifts autopsy all boats. >> my feeling, david, the reason why the war on poverty