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It's not necessary now. what is crucial is those that could be persuaded otherwise. in either camp. that's why i don't see the needle moving. >> i agree, i don't see the needle moving in either direction in areas where there might be some willingness to consider otherwise. i think the republicans are steadfastly against the spirit of the interesting thing is that if you look back to the nature of the resolution that was passed by the democrats to authorize these open hearings, that did not lock them in necessarily to flat out moving articles of impeachment out of the house. i think there's goi...

Afraid of impeachment. every time it's come up, i voted for it. we continued our work, we continued investigating. look at it this way. we'll have all of this evidence if we open an impeachment inquiry tomorrow. that's a good thing. >> if it were to open. what we're hearing from speaker pelosi, you're talking about the needle moving, it sounds like part of that is the needle moving, you see in terms of public support, not necessarily among lawmakers. speaker pelosi has made it clear her position as of the morning is do what works for you. is she missing an opportunity here to lead? >> i never ...

David chalian and jeffrey toobin former federal prosecutor and chief legal analyst. great to have you here in studio. the needle is moving, we just heard him say that several times and, in fact, the needle has moved for other lawmakers, more are calling for impeachment now. we had governor hickenlooper now, his position is different this morning. it's fascinating to me, david, that robert mueller in his lack of pizzazz kind of way just speaking out loud has moved the needle for people because a lot of that was in his report. >> this was the audio book version of his report. he basically was re...