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You give on this, she offered nothing. are you at all concerned that the democrats are digging in too much? >> no. i think the difference is we are saying we will come to the table and negotiate, but we cannot use the paychecks of 800,000 federal workers, many of whom are law enforcement proelshs, all of whom are working middle class people who have families to feed and bills to pay. that is not our negotiating chip. we are saying open the government and we will come to the table. we have lots of things we want. we want border security and immigration reform. it's not here. >> i know that, but...
There's not the sort of separation of powers that you have in the united states or any other sort of democratic country. and i think what putin's angling for, and this has been speculated about, is some kind of prisoner swap. we have maria butina in the united states, who will be sentenced shortly and she's cooperate qug authoriing with a. the russians want her back. there's a number of prominent russians being held in u.s. prisons that i'm sure the russians would absolutely love to get back and may use paul whelan as a negotiating chip to do that. the person that springs to mind is victor boo...
You know, if putin wants a guilty verdict in russia, he's going to get one. i mean, there's not the sort of separation of powers, the independence of the judiciary in this committee that you have in the united states or any other sort of democratic country. and i think what putin's angling for, and this has been speculated about a lot, is some kind of prisoner swap, we've got maria butina in the united states who is going to be sentenced shortly, and she's cooperating with the authorities at the moment, but she faces a prison sentence. the russians want her back. and there's a number of other ...
There's no apparent direct link between the cases, just speculation that whelan may be a useful negotiating chip for the kremlin if some kind of prisoner swap is eventually agreed. well, they're still some way off, wolf, from any kind of prisoner swap at this stage. at this moment we've had the first consular visit, done as you mentioned by jon huntsman, the u.s. ambassador to russia. he spoke to mr. whelan. he later personally called the family of paul whelan to discuss his condition with them, a sign of just how seriously the united states is taking this case. wrofl. >> very serious that the...