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There's not the sort of separation of powers that you have in the united states or any other sort of democratic country. and i think what putin's angling for, and this has been speculated about, is some kind of prisoner swap. we have maria butina in the united states, who will be sentenced shortly and she's cooperate qug authoriing with a. the russians want her back. there's a number of prominent russians being held in u.s. prisons that i'm sure the russians would absolutely love to get back and may use paul whelan as a negotiating chip to do that. the person that springs to mind is victor boo...

You know, if putin wants a guilty verdict in russia, he's going to get one. i mean, there's not the sort of separation of powers, the independence of the judiciary in this committee that you have in the united states or any other sort of democratic country. and i think what putin's angling for, and this has been speculated about a lot, is some kind of prisoner swap, we've got maria butina in the united states who is going to be sentenced shortly, and she's cooperating with the authorities at the moment, but she faces a prison sentence. the russians want her back. and there's a number of other ...

His former business partner rick gates is cooperating throughout. did rick gates tell something and it turns out it's not true? a number of different ways and his prosecutorial team could know whether or not man fa for the manafort. >> he is scared something is happening to him or getting a pardon. what could come of this from paul manafort? >> not a lot, ali. manafort is either banking on a pard pardon. we know it's something he's been langling for. or he just can't tell the truth. once they do that, they sort of get over the hump and they