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>> go ahead, ken. >> i would agree with john on that concept, however, if you look at the clinton example, for instance, they negotiated parameters that were a lot different than everyone else involved in the investigation. and the reason is very simple. he is the president. and that was true for bill clinton. it's true for donald trump. and i think you're going to see some parameters certainly set and insisted upon because it is a little awkward to have to go to the court and try to cabin the president in for a situation like this. i think that gives the president's legal team some negotiatin...

To. he had a special deposition hearing just for the grand jury. so presidents can't run for the grand jurys. that's a pretty clear law. >> that's true. >> i would agree with john on that concept, however, if you look at the clinton example, for instance, they negotiated parameters that were a lot different than everyone else involved in the investigation. and the reason is very simple. he is the president. and that was true for bill clinton. it's true for donald trump. and i think you're going to see some parameters certainly set and insisted upon because it is a little awkward to have to go ...

>> josh, i know you're watching. you have political reporting will meet with a top white house official. the president won't be there. what can we expect based on what you've heard so far? >> the white house is setting up demands that they are unwilling to agree to in exchange for codification of daca. he said that he was going to do it and he said the program is illegal so not just that he thought it was a bad idea but he claimed he didn't even have the legal authority to extend these protections to this set of unauthorized immigrants in the united states. and yet the program is continuing an...

Give him greater negotiating leverage. >> laura: i got it. >> that's what it was about. it was about diplomacy. not going to war. -- >> laura: you and i agree on the war. i was for it in the beginning. ambassador to israel, obama's ambassador to israel mocked the heavy breathing coming from the critics of the move. whose side are you on this. a good idea for trump or -- >> it deflects domestic policy for trump. it's a good idea for him politically. a lot of foreign policy is derived from your political base. so it's sort of a natural move. the question is now, having sort of shaken up the regi...

>> laura: tax cuts happened before 9-11, remember? >> 2001 and 2003. two tax cuts. >> laura: you want the government to take more of our money? >> i want responsible fiscally responsible smart government. >> laura: you're not going to get me to defend much about bush. >> talk about the war. the war in iraq was a mistake. >> laura: no kidding. you were for it. >> i was not for the war in iraq. >> laura: you said you probably would have voted for it. do i have to pull up my research? >> i ran for president because the war was not going well. >> laura: at the time i probably would have voted for ...