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Joining us now, the former ho homeland security second, jeh johnson. he is a former trial lawyer and prosecutor. he served as an assistant district attorney in the southern district of new york under rudy giuliani. thanks very much for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> you have a lot of legal experience. i want to pick your brain. when the president argues he has an absolute right to pardon himself and that the special counsel's apoipointment was totally unconstitutional, what do you think? >> i think it's posturing in an effort to get to a place acceptable to trump's lawyers where he can...

Letter. that was the takeaway from the pompeo meeting is that the north koreans have not yet made a decision -- they are still contemplating but they are not quite there yet on whether or not they want to make a fundamental strategic change. what mattis will do is when he meets with his counter-parts tomorrow and throughout the weekend he will likely provide a status report of just where negotiations are. as we heard from pompeo, those talks are proceeding. in general, what mattis likes to do is employ the diplomats the opportunity to negotiate and to preserve the negotiating space for the pre...

From a constructive friendly partnership to an obvious friendship. the best evidence for that is not the dandruff or kiss incident. as they walked off the stage president macron visibly put his hand over president trump's shoulder walking away. it signifies friendship because president macron well knows president trump is not popular in france and so to do that and also to show this negotiating space on the iran deal there is a clear evidence there you don't do that stuff unless there is a genuine relationship. i think it's striking. >> bill: brad, where are you on that? what do you think now?...

Do that. if we are able to avoid it, this does mean even bigger trouble, though, just months from now because the folks who are going to be upset about the failure to shut down the government, if we're able to keep the government funded, if we're able to keep women's health programs and planned parenthood funded for the short period of time so we can buy some negotiating space, which is what i hope happens, then the question is what next? what happens just a few months from now? >> let me ask you on that front, are house democrats excited by the prospect of kevin mccarthy take the gavel? >> i ...

Intentions are. this is a test whether the iranians are willing to in effect stop what they're doing now to provide negotiating space. so it'sen incremental step but the first team the foreign ministers, the g-5 plus one have gathered, and there seems to be significants pressure on iran to come to the table. >> the permanent members he is referring to. the israelis are not happy about dismiss they don't seem to see any value in it. >> they describe it as like easing some sanctions is like having a hole in the tire. it can take he whole tire down. their closest to the danger and the gulf states...