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It's good to do as the consultation states, let the president have that as a negotiating tool. those are very important right now, because we have, with russia, they are making an alliance with china, something we should find threatening. we need their help in syria, we need to help with iran, with venezuela, we have a lot of interest guiding us there, and to hamstring this and make it more difficult to have worked with this very serious adversary, it is a bad idea, and no one is talking about that. >> you don't think they should be punished at all for what they did in the 2016 election? >> th...

Rules to 51%. our country needs a good shutdown in september to fix mess. that drew a quick backlash from both parties. >> democrat schiff wrote back. how could a shutdown be good with parks closed? answer golf at mar-a-lago unaffected. orrin hatch pushing back against. he says america would be a socialist nation without a 60 vote threshold and filibuster option. budget director mulvaney was asked what a good shutdown would be? >> it's not a goal, okay. it's not a negotiating tool. but to the extent the president advocated one today, if you want to imagine what a good shutdown would be, one ...

It's not a negotiating tool. but to the extent the president advocating one today if you want to imagine what a good shutdown is, one that fixes this town. drives the message back home it was as broken as they thought it was when they voted for donald trump. >> reporters have a lot more wes when sean spicer took the podium. let's play a little bit of sean spicer's nonresponse. >> sean. sean. what about the putin call. >> poor sean that will be the ring tone on his phone. sean. that would be funny. what do you make of that moment? >> i mean, you know, the president answering for president's twe...

To hear mick mulvaney say he's shocked that they would spike the football. what this reveals, the nature of the republican party. not all elements are going to be happy. the white house seems to have calculated that it was better to get this short term deal for the doesn't actually shut down in september rather than please anybody and negotiate with democrats. it's surprising to hear the president threatening a shut down in september, when it's clear that that's what they were trying to avoid here. >> jon: is that political posturing to keep his adversaries off balance? >> yes. but something n...

I have been here since 2011. >> why do you want the change now? >> we want to go back to that process. the reason we can't is because the senate is require 60 votes on every single appropriations bill. it forces a discussion ab shutdowns which are not productive. >> what does the president say -- thanks for being here today. how does the president define a good shutdown? >> i don't know. we haven't had one. i think a good shutdown, if there is such a thing. i said this before to you. i said it during my confirmation. it's not a goal. it's not a negotiating tool. >> the president advocated it -...