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But i think this is a factor. there's the loud national messages that may or may not cause confusion among people. but then neighbor to neighbor, that gives at least me a little bit more hope in terms of people actually getting what they need to stay alive and to stay safe. >> i mean, we are in a crisis, still. and we need everything in our toolbox in order to get people vaccinated. and i just hate that tucker carlson's out here being so dramatic, overexaggerating what this effort is. all the people who are not vaccinated are the reason why we are getting variants. we think we knocked one thin...

We started neighbor to neighbor programs, we gave the states and the people on the local and grass-roots level the infrastructure and the ability to argue and build, right now the democratic party doesn't have that. so whoever comes in as chair what they have to do is rebuild the party not out of washington but the state level so these people who want to run for city council, want to run for mayor, want to run for state legislative bodies they have the infrastructure and the ability to do so and right now that is wanting in the democratic party. >> absolutely. there's that side that you have t...

Democrats can claw back state power in particular start this year. you have gubernatorial and lieutenant governor races in virginia and new jersey. you have a superintendent of schools race in wisconsin. are democrats prepared to meet this test and start to win some state races? starting this year? >> well not only state races but look at the mayoral races that are happening across the country. if i were to answer this i would probably say no, because, look, the democratic party -- and i was a pollster for the governor when we built the 50-state strategy, and one of the first things we did com...